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Glossary

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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
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All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers

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  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
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    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
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    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

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Please do not...

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  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
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  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

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Archives of posted stories: Wikipedia:In the news/Posted/Archives

Sections

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This page contains a section for each day and a sub-section for each nomination. To see the size and title of each section, please expand the following section size summary.


November 27

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Armed conflicts and attacks

Law and crime

Politics and elections


ICC arrest warrant for Min Aung Hlaing

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Article: Min Aung Hlaing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Burmese military junta leader Min Aung Hlaing in its investigation of the Rohingya genocide (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Another significant arrest warrant issued by the ICC, against a sitting head of state and for crimes against humanity related to a genocide. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 15:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support weird that they would only investigate Hlaing, instead of any of the people in office at the time. Scuba 15:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huge support very notable and worthy, surprised they didn’t issue warrants for previous leaders for the genocide Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 WBSC Premier12 Championship

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Article: 2024 WBSC Premier12 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, Chinese Taipei wins the 2024 WBSC Premier12. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera RFi AFP Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating

 Meganinja202 (talk) 08:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment have we posted this championship before for other years? Scuba 15:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Duplicate, closed) 2024 Israel–Hezbollah ceasefire agreement

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Article: 2024 Israel–Hezbollah ceasefire agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel and Lebanon agree to a six-day ceasfire (Post)
Per https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/27/world/israel-hezbollah-lebanon-cease-fire JayCubby Talk 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 26

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RD: Earl Holliman

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Article: Earl Holliman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no quality issues. Aydoh8[contribs] 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support properly cited. no quality issues. Scuba 15:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israel-Lebanon Ceasefire

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Article: 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel and Lebanon agree to a 60-day ceasefire agreement to halt the war in Lebanon (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel and Hezbollah agree to a a 60-day ceasefire agreement to halt the the war in Lebanon
News source(s): CBS
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A ceasefire agreement between the two countries is expected to enter into force tomorrow. Article seems decent. — Knightoftheswords 20:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support A major development. If the ceasefire agreement is actually implemented in the manner claimed by Netanyahu and Biden, it would mean the reclamation of control by the Lebanese army and effectively the end of Hezbollah military dominance in most of southern Lebanon. I am fine to wait until tomorrow if necessary to see if the ceasefire agreement is ultimately accepted by all parties - but assuming it is successfully entered into, then this should be posted. FlipandFlopped 20:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality only. The background has far too much focus on the conflict where this should use summaries more and point to relevant pages via main/seealso templates. There should be more on the past efforts to organize a ceasefire, including nations involved (here, this being US and France). Masem (t) 21:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First ceasefire since the start of the conflict over a year ago, and is a major development of the conflict. TheHiddenCity (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Regardless if the attempted ceasefire is successful or not. This is a historical development to the conflict. Rager7 (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. This is a major development in the conflict, even if the conflict itself is covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - suggest Alt Blurb Shouldn't it technically be a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah (not lebanon) this is how most RS are noting it. Schwinnspeed (talk) 03:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb I: Historic end to Hezbollah's control of the south (for now at least) Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb in principle. Widely reported news which should bring the fighting to at least a temporary halt on one front. The altblurb is more accurate than the original. However I have two concerns with the article: a) The 'background' section has sparse references; because this is a controversial topic that should be improved, especially when discussing motivations. I'm not a fan of mirroring a section from another article, but if that's the approach taken it will require fixing on the mirrored article. b) The lead indicates that this is a permanent ceasefire, but the body (and nominated blurb) both say it's only for 60 days. Those should be made consistent. Modest Genius talk 14:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt not seeing any glaring problems with the article. Scuba 15:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Abrahams

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Article: Jim Abrahams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: part of the Zucker, Abrahams, Zucker trio that produced comedy films like Airplane! Article needs more sources Masem (t) 19:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now as nom said, the article is in need of more sources and is currently orange tagged. If these issues are fixed, please ping me and I will change my vote accordingly. Aydoh8[contribs] 00:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose orange tag, vast swaths of the article are uncited. Scuba 15:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: John Tinniswood

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Article: John Tinniswood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [[3]], [[4]]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World's oldest man, oldest surviving World War II Veteran, died Monday aged 112. Was oldest man since 29 June 2024. Julius Barclay (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no problems Scuba 15:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jan Furtok

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Article: Jan Furtok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Polish Radio
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article could be easily expanded, doesn't convey nearly enough that he was one of Poland’s best ever players. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no immediate quality issues. Aydoh8[contribs] 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft support sure the article could use some expansion, but the content that is there is of a high enough quality to post. Scuba 15:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 25

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(Ready) RD: Mike Hasenfratz

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Article: Mike Hasenfratz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5][6]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former referee in the National Hockey League Flibirigit (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no problems Scuba 15:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nikki Kaye

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Article: Nikki Kaye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former National minister Nikki Kaye dies, aged 44
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former New Zealand MP; died aged 44 from cancer. Date of death is not known yet. Schwede66 01:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support one outstanding CN tag but I guess we could just remove it if we can't find a source for it. Aydoh8[contribs] 00:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm not seeing any cn tags, just two whom tags, but considering the length of the article I think that's fine for inclusion in RD. Scuba 15:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swiftair 737 crashes in Lithuania

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Article: Swiftair Flight 5960 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Swiftair Boeing 737 (accident aircraft pictured) crashes near Vilnius Airport, Lithuania, killing one pilot. (Post)
News source(s): BBC FlightGlobal CNN
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Nominator's comments: Very rare to see an airliner crashing in Europe. No immediate quality issues apart from a UGS tag which could easily be fixed. Edit: it appears to have been fixed. Aydoh8[contribs] 00:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support this as a testament to the development of airliner crash safety; ten were involved in a crash of a cargo airliner and only one lost their life. Oppose for now because only one person died. Maybe if this becomes a wider incident like the 737 plague it'd be notable but as it is we're to a point where (at least in my opinion) large airplane crashes are not blurb-worthy. Departure– (talk) 01:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support it was a cargo plane, the only people on board where the pilots, casualties shouldn't be what keeps this from being posted. Article is of high quality, and this is getting global coverage in the news.
It's a Boeing 737 crash, that alone should warrant inclusion. Scuba 20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Trump Charges Dismissed

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Article: Indictments against Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed without prejudice due to presidential immunity.
News source(s): AP
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Under normal circumstances I would not make or support this nomination. However, most of the indictments were posted on ITN against the very strong objection of some editors both on BLP grounds and the fact that it was contrary to our customary practice of only posting convictions. Under the circumstances, I think we need to take note of what is probably their final disposition. It is receiving front page coverage both in the US and abroad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC) -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have struck my original blurb in favor of the alt which is much better. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
two wrongs don't make a right — hako9 (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True, but this is probably as close as we can get. The indictments should never have been posted and it is my sincere hope that we never do anything like that again. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - consequence of a story we already posted, Trump winning the presidential election. The idea that a truly unprecedented event, a former president being indicted on criminal charges, should not have been posted is both a personal opinion and not relevant to whether or not this story should be posted. nableezy - 23:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are going to post that someone is charged with a crime, and we certainly would have (and in one case correctly did) post any convictions, why would we not post the dismissal of the charges? (Unless the decisions involved were heavily motivated by a strong animus or a desire to right great wrongs.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Besides the utter lack of AGF in that parentheses, the reason is that one thing was unprecedented and treated as such across the globe, and the other is a predictable consequence of what we already posted. I wont return the favor of failing to AGF in making unsubstantiated claims about the motives of this nomination. And also, despite the claim that there is a probable final disposition of this story here, the charges were dismissed without prejudice, allowing them to be re-filed when Trumps presidency comes to an end. nableezy - 00:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So basically we can announce criminal indictments on the main page of one of the most trafficked websites in the world, and quietly ignore it when they go away? The fact that he was an ex-president is neither here nor there. He was entitled to the basic protections of BLP and we set aside our very longstanding practice of only posting convictions. And FTR my opinion of Donald Trump is unprintable. But I do believe in basic fairness, even for people I detest. I'm not going to relitigate what happened beyond that it was an egregious error that should not be compounded. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is here and there, that was an unprecedented event in US history. And sources treated it as such. The basic protections of BLP are to not say anything untrue about a public figure, and he was indicted. There was zero BLP issue in saying that. I dgaf what our very longstanding practice is, there is nothing in BLP that says we should not include what is verifiably true. And there is nothing in any guideline that says one of the biggest news stories of the year should not be on our front page section of In the News. BLP does not mean, and has never meant, we cannot include anything negative about a living person, it means we write conservatively and accurately. It was indisputably true that Donald Trump was indicted in several criminal cases and that he was the first former US president in history to have been indicted. There is 0 BLP issue in saying that, not in an article and not on the front page. nableezy - 00:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose was foregone conclusion as soon as Trump was named the winner. Also a subtlety is that they are being dropped without prejudice, meaning they could be brought up once he is out of office, so it's not the true end of the story. Masem (t) 00:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It was a forgone conclusion that Trump was going to face criminal indictments. We posted them anyway. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No it wasn't, we had no way to predict how the grand jury, and Smith's subsequent actions, would go, because they didn't discuss them in public until court filings. Trump said numerous times that he would make the cases go away as president, and the DOJ has a standing policy that they cannot go after a sitting president, so that this happened like this was of zero surprise.. Only that Smith volunteered to end it before Trump took office might not have been part of it but the net result was. Masem (t) 00:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose current blurb If Trump's charges were dismissed on the merits or he was explicitly found not guilty, that would be one thing. Here, however, the blurb is actively misleading: the current phrasing, by omission, makes it sound like the case against Trump was dismissed on the merits. In fact, the opposite is true: the government initiated the motion to dismiss on a without prejudice basis while maintaining the strength of its case. The sole and only reason for this is the constitutional prohibition on prosecuting a sitting president. Per the Government's motion to dismiss: the dismissal "does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged, the strength of the government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the government stands fully behind". FlipandFlopped 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair point. I tend to try and keep blurbs succinct but have no objections to an alt blurb if you would care to propose one. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And a fair response, Ad Orientem. I have added an alt blurb. I soft support alt blurb. On the one hand, I think that this a foregone conclusion: if he won, this was always going to happen. On the other hand, I am generally an inclusionist when it comes to things making global headlines going on ITN. Given that we posted the indictment, I am inclined to support for reasons of balance. FlipandFlopped 00:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further review of the target article, I oppose on quality grounds per Andrew Davidson. The target article doesn't contain sufficient explanation & updated information corresponding to the info communicated in the blurb. FlipandFlopped 15:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now per all above. Maybe I'd support if he actually went to prison in this time. Departure– (talk) 01:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose why is this still open? Scuba 20:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 Sambhal Violence, Uttar Pradesh, India

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Article: 2024 Sambhal Violence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 4 people died and 30 injuries(20 police), Violent clashes in Uttar Pradesh, India (Post)
News source(s): BBC Indiatoday Timesofindia Economic Times
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 Spworld2(talk) 17:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

changed RD box to normal ITN box --2600:1700:4579:B80:9D1C:5ECE:9EEB:47FD (talk) 10:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Without expansion, this seems like a small flare up in a country where such protests and conflicts are commonplace. --Masem (t) 13:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sad to say but such violence and riots are common in India; additionally, it is a small flare-up with only 4 deaths, thus not not worthy of ITN The AP (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all above. Tragic, but commonplace in a country like India. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Undecided on the nom but do we really need three comments belittling the world's largest democracy and trivialising the deaths as "only 4" in a "country like India"? AusLondonder (talk) 14:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    we are stating facts and not because it is “the world's largest democracy” we are not going to give it a special notoriety if they are recurrent events in that country. It is the same parameter we use to judge shootings in the United States or earthquakes in the Philippines. Since this is not a news-ticket portal, we should value it more for notoriety than for newsworthiness. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP is not a newspaper and not every event, even those involving deaths, necessary need coverage, much less inclusion on the main page. How likely is this going to have enduring coverage and not just a burst of news? — Masem (t) 15:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am an Indian myself, and I don't find any interpretation of any comment that is "belittling" the "world's largest democracy." Even though the incident is tragic, it has a low number of fatalities; as such, I didn't find it worthy for ITN. Also to note - such incidents are common and recurring in India sadly so we can't possibly include each of them to ITN The AP (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose I'm not seeing this being reported outside of Indian news sources. It's terrible that people have died, but I just don't think this is a major enough event to warrant ITN posting. Scuba 16:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Uruguayan general election

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Article: 2024 Uruguayan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Yamandú Orsi and the Broad Front wins the runoff to the 2024 Uruguayan general election against Álvaro Delgado and the Republican Coalition. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Yamandú Orsi (pictured) is elected president of Uruguay
News source(s): Al Jazeera AP News
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I believe this is ITN/R as both a change in the president (according to AP News) and as the results of a general election. Please let me know if I'm missing something; thanks! Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Álvaro Delgado is a disambiguation link. I think you mean Álvaro Delgado (politician). 64.114 etc 04:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed - thanks. Staraction (talk | contribs) 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose the article only has a one sentence aftermath section and is mostly tables. It is ITN/R, so once that is cleaned up I'll change my vote. Scuba 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Breyten Breytenbach

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Article: Breyten Breytenbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nominator's comments: Important anti-apartheid activist and poet laureate. – Plifal (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Soft support I only see one CN tag. Scuba 16:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Properly cited. His works are their own citations. Bremps... 20:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have added significantly to this article since yesterday, and although there is no doubt more that could be added, I think it's ready to go. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is ready for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 24

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RD: Colin Renfrew

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Article: Colin Renfrew (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British archaeologist. 240F:7A:6253:1:98F0:B089:1413:EFBE (talk) 06:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruce Thompson (Georgia politician)

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Article: Bruce Thompson (Georgia politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Pretty close, however only has 1 sentence about what he accomplished in each of his political roles ("Thompson became the chair of the economic development and tourism committee" and "Thompson's office reported finding $105 million of unremitted state money which should have been turned over to the state treasury in August 2023".) Not sure if there's anything that can be added for additional depth? SpencerT•C 03:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Barbara Taylor Bradford

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Article: Barbara Taylor Bradford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: British-American novelist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support: Adaptations uncited, two cn tags, and a bit of a prose problem, but otherwise the article looks fine. Scuba 16:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rico Carty

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Article: Rico Carty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 16:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

COP29

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Article: 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: COP29 concludes with an agreement on finance for developing nations to help them address and mitigate climate change. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Neither the conference nor our article seem impressive but we should consider the topic while we are planning to promote multiple motor racing events (1, 2, 3). It's certainly in the news and significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What relevance do the Motorsports items have to this, beyond ye olde “sports r dumb” comment? The Kip (contribs) 09:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They all use fossil fuels. The conference agreed a statement about transitioning away from fossil fuels despite opposition from countries like Saudi Arabia. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, this is irrelevant to whether this conference should get posted or not. We should be considering each event individually on their own merits. I am personally neutral on this nomination, as I do not know much about COP. Natg 19 (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the similar COP28 conference was posted last year. See nomination. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which at least was a commitment to direct action to reduce factors impacting climate change. Funding aspects like this year's is not a direct action. Masem (t) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So true dude... we should outlaw all motorsports because Palau said so or something idk. Scuba 18:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Article looks good and well cited. Moraljaya67 (talk)
  • Oppose on quality, at least. Article may be well sourced but is a mess in terms of tenses (a lot of future tense). In terms of significance, I'm not sure if this result is really as impactful as something like the Paris agreement to merit posting. --Masem (t) 13:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose on quality per above. I'm neutral, leaning support on notability. The title really should be COP29 though, Climate Change has always and will always be brought here only to not be posted. Departure– (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the headline. Brandmeistertalk 14:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chia-ying Yeh

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Article: Chia-ying Yeh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): China Daily
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death confirmed today. Chinese-born Canadian poet and sinologist Greencarp (talk) 13:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article properly cited. Scuba 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Zvi Kogan

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Article: Death of Zvi Kogan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death confirmed today. Article was just created. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 07:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good. Scuba 15:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is in good shape with lots of sources. Z'L Pyramids09 (talk) 10:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and marking ready. FlipandFlopped 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support it would be a gimme if the title were "assassination of," as it should be. Scharb (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:ITNRD requires that the subject has a biographical Wikipedia article. But this is more narrowly a death page, whose title is being further proposed to be specifcially a muder page. It can alternatively be proposed as a blurb for the murder, if notable, but that has a higher significance bar for the actual death story.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fred R. Harris

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Article: Fred R. Harris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American politican from Oklahoma. Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no problems with the article. Scuba 15:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support addressed a couple CN tags and reviewed the article; looks good. Tagging ready now. FlipandFlopped 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 World Rally Championship

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Article: 2024 World Rally Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship, while Toyota win the manufacturer's title.
News source(s): France 24
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Looks like the article is good for posting. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support only as a separate blurb. This is WP:ITNR and meets article quality standards and so should be posted as a separate blurb- this is no different to having multiple election articles listed at the same time on ITN. This discussion isn't an appropriate place to try and re-write how ITN and ITNR nominations work, these 2 events are not related just because they both use cars. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Voicing quality concerns about how to better optimize the phrasing of blurb(s) is inappropriate to bring up in the discussion and voting section of those very same blurbs? ITNR means the event itself is notable enough to make it on the main page. How the article is blurbed and presented remains subject to community consensus, which entails room for disagreement without accusations of inappropriate behaviour. FlipandFlopped 16:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A combined mix of 2 not the same events is not the same as posting them separately which is what the ITNR nomination is for. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I will respectfully agree to disagree. FlipandFlopped 00:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support nomination but strong oppose combined blurb we would not combine futsal with association football even though both are similar and organised by the same governing body; that would be the sporting equivalent of combining Uruguayan and Somaliland election blurbs because they are both elections. WRC and F1 are completely different sports, we wouldn't combine Moto GP with F1, this is a much bigger distinction; bigger than you would have between F1 and Formula-E for example, despite those two also being very different cars (would not support combining them either). Abcmaxx (talk) 07:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The F1 blurb has long been posted while this one lingers because some editors want a combined blurb. That seems rather unfair... Fram (talk) 09:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, if we are not combining the blurbs, then I am not opposed to posting the article. Its quality is more than sufficient to meet ITNCrit. FlipandFlopped 16:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sara Duterte

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Article: Sara Duterte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) causes outrage after claiming in a briefing that she had spoken to kill President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker Martin Romualdez if she were to killed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) under fire after allegedly revealing in a briefing if she had arranged and assassination of President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker of the Philippines Martin Romualdez if she were to die.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) faces criticism after reportedly admitting in a briefing that she ordered the assassination of President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker of the Philippines Martin Romualdez if she were killed.
News source(s): NBC, CNN and Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Just In that President Marcos Jr gave a official statement on Sara Duterte said (Source: GMA NewsRoyiswariii Talk! 04:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose until this evolves into widespread protests, or a political crisis, or something beyond non-specific claims of "outrage". At least something with article to point towards, feigning the possibility of Duterte's death following these comments. Departure– (talk) 05:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added bold formatting to bring all blurbs to ITN style. Departure– (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
check the alt blurb Royiswariii Talk! 05:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Please note that it started on conflict of Marcos-Duterte on Investigation of War on Drugs in the Philippines of Former President Rodrigo Duterte. And in Mary Grace Piattos issue that possibly go on impeachment too (While I'm replying this, it's in the investigation of Quad committee of the Philippines). I can't remember other issues of Duterte-Marcos it's so many issues lol. Royiswariii Talk! 05:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 23

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  • Twenty-four people are killed and 46 others are rescued after two boats carrying 70 passengers capsize when the boats' engines failed in the Indian Ocean off the north coast of Madagascar. (BBC News)

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(Posted) 2024 Formula One World Championship

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Article: 2024 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship, while Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: May produce a combination blurb with the WRC. Unnamelessness (talk) 07:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support with conjoined F1-WRC blurb. Article should be OK too even without the prose on the latest race. Angusgtw (talk) 08:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Queston What's a WRC? HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HiLo48: World Rally Championship. Personally I would not be in favour of a merge because they're 2 different types of motor racing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fully agree. HiLo48 (talk) 09:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good. Scuba 15:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support combined blurb per Angusgtw. We should combine the entries for the F1 and world rally championship. FlipandFlopped 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Must we run a photo of a Dutch and Belgian athlete in front of the British flag? How about we use something like instead? Bremps... 20:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chuck Woolery

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Article: Chuck Woolery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/chuck-woolery-dead-wheel-fortune-love-connection-1236070165/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filmography needs sourcing. RachelTensions (talk) 06:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support filmography needs sourcing, but other than that it only has two cn tags. Scuba 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 22

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(Closed) Russia launches ICBM/IRBM into Ukraine

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Article: Oreshnik (missile) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Russia launches a hypersonic projectile claimed to be an Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile from Astrakhan Oblast in a conventional strike on Dnipro, Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Major escalation of Russian invasion of Ukraine. 219.74.216.56 (talkcontribs)
  • What exactly was launched is unclear, as we can't take Russia's own claims to their word, and more reliable sources says it wasn't ICBMs [11]. This is an escalation, but at this point, reasonably covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 17:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - this was NOT a nuclear warhead, and we have an article for the projectile - Oreshnik (missile). Let's not puff it up any more than it was. We didn't post Ukraine using West-supplied long-range missiles and Putin's nuclear threats that he always makes, so let's not post the use of Russia's shiny new toy. Also, you may want to use a template for future ITN submissions. Departure– (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to a template. Departure– (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Kurram massacre

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Article: 2024 Kurram massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Gunmen attacked a large passenger convoy of vehicles in Kurram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, resulting in the death of 50 people and 30 injuries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, NY Times, VOA, APP, The Guardian, DW, AP
Credits:

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Local leaders complaining of a lack of security, officials saying the death toll will rise, and the PM and President both commenting on the incident are not "fluff". The entire section is only 5 sentences long. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would expect a good reaction section not to be flooded with non-action statements of sympathy and anger, but actual steps towards action to investigate and make sure such events happen again, what they are doing for familes of the victims, etc. (eg: its far too easy for quote anyone with "thoughts and prayers" after a tragic event, that doesn't make for good encyclopedic content) — Masem (t) 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sectarian nature makes it more relevant to mention in the headline.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, support on notability the ongoing land dispute & sectarian conflict which is at the source of the attack needs to be fleshed out in the background section. As of now, all the article says is "Sunni and Shia Muslims are in conflict in the region over a dispute over land". That is nowhere near a sufficient explanation. We can't put an incomplete article on the main page. FlipandFlopped 22:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support I don't see the Quality problems that other voter are talking about, it looks fine to me. Scuba 15:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 21

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(Posted) RD: Alice Brock

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Article: Alice Brock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
Article updated
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 240F:7A:6253:1:81A9:9B3:1C4C:1AAD (talk) 03:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Gautam Adani indicted

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Articles: Gautam Adani (talk · history · tag) and United States of America v. Gautam Adani et al. (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indian billionaire Gautam Adani and his associates are indicted by federal prosecutors for bribing Indian Government officials and concealing the details from American investors. (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

Article updated
 - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Who is this guy? BilboBeggins (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are lots of reasons why this isn't suitable for ITN. The case article - which should be the bold link - is a stub. This is a domestic case involving a private individual, very different from the ICC seeking a national leader. The case itself does not seem particularly significant, there are fraud and corruption trials all the time. The blurb is misleading, because it incorrectly implies Indian prosecutors, and isn't NPOV. Modest Genius talk 12:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) New Lithuanian PM

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Article: Gintautas Paluckas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following parliamentary elections, Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania.
News source(s): [14][15]
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R applies as the PM administers the executive branch (per here, and the posting of his predecessor), and since Paluckas was not previously mentioned in ITN. The results of the 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election were posted from November 1st to 2nd, but that blurb mentioned Vilija Blinkevičiūtė as the leader of the winning party, and she unexpectedly chose not to become PM. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Trump was posted as soon as he was called the winner of the US elections even though he wont take office until January. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone change photo. Apparently I can't do that. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Picture was changed to Paluckas by Schwede66 on 15:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC). Natg 19 (talk) 17:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jodi Rell

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Article: Jodi Rell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Connecticut governor; death announced 21 November. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bolsonaro indicted

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Article: 2022 Brazilian coup plot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are indicted by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of current president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are formally accused by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of current president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.
News source(s): CNN [AP News]
Credits:

Article needs updating

 Masem (t) 22:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support on notability - Brazil's equivalent of Trump's indictment(s). No reason this should be treated any different... except maybe on quality, which I've no comment. Departure– (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A former world leader is being prosecuted from overthrowing democracy is definitely newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 22:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOAP thread — Knightoftheswords 13:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose seeing as how Lula got out of prison based on the political whims of a judge and then ran for president again this doesn't really mean anything. Scuba 01:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOAP. The Kip (contribs) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lula was sentenced by the same judge who would serve in the Cabinet of Jair Bolsonaro, if political bias has to be talked about at all. None of this is relevant to whether Bolsonaro's indictment is notable or not; it is and we posted the Lula developments back then as well. Personal judgments of political assesments by editors aside. Gotitbro (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support While this was only the first of Bolsonaro's coup attempts (followed by 2022–2023 Brazilian election protests, 2023 Brazilian Congress attack), he is more significantly involved here than the others and likely the only event he is to be charged for. Gotitbro (talk) 07:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Former major world leader has been indicted in criminal court, due one of the most significant events in recent Brazilian history. Very notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major political event. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A major political/legal event with international coverage. ArionStar (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest Possible Oppose We've been down this road with Donald Trump and that was an egregious error. The Federal charges in his case have now disappeared and as of this post the consensus seems to be to ignore it. This is why we post convictions, not accusations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We posted when Trump was impeached (knowing full well there would be no removal by the Senate), and as mentioned above, the grand jury findings still exist and new indictments could be raised in the future (just not likely in the next four years). We have also posted the arrest warrants from the ICC for Putin and for Israel/Hamas leaders. Clearly when former leaders of countries are at least charged, in a formal manner consistent with the nation's laws, for major crimes, that seems to be the point to post, even if no actual conviction comes down the road. Masem (t) 04:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • BLP comment WP:BLPCRIME/WP:BLPSUSPECT have been mentioned. The policy reads

    For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material —in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime.

    However, Bolsonara is a public figure. Consensus might determine this doesn't belong on ITN, but it's not dictated by this policy.—Bagumba (talk) 04:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba: That's a very unfortunate section. All living persons with Wikipedia articles are public figures in some way. Otherwise, they would not be covered in reliable sources that justify the existence of their articles. Could you please explain what makes politicians more prominent public figures than artists, scientists or sportspeople?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP tends to use the legal definition of Public figure to determine who is public. It is certainly not the case that any notable person we consider to be a public figure, but generally use that for those that are nearly always going to be covered by media, like politicians, actors, athletes, and top-level businessmen. Masem (t) 13:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm unsure whether the legal definition is the same everywhere (for instance, public figure lists only the case in the United States, which may not be true for Brazil or anywhere else). Furthermore, WP:PUBLICFIGURE isn't lex specialis that can override WP:BLPCRIME, and the examples given under WP:PUBLICFIGURE don't even list a case involving indictments (WP:BLPCRIME should normally be more restrictive than WP:PUBLICFIGURE due to the presumption of innocence. Otherwise, we risk to make a false positive.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be clear, BLPCRIME is more geared towards protecting the privacy of those that are clearly not public figures (those whom have never been written about until such an event) rather than the allowance that we should cover crimes related to public figures. No matter how you slice it, Bolosanaro is a public figure, and thus the protection that we look for under BLPCRIME simply is not applicable.
    Beyond the scope of BLPCRIME, all other aspects of BLP in general apply: we do have to write with presumption of innocence, we should be accurate to what actually happened here from a legal perspective and not jump to conclusions (that is: I know the original articles on this all said, directly, "indictment", but that was clearly not the best wording). But there's no reason we can expect any attempt to protect Bolosanaro's privacy here via BLPCRIME. Masem (t) 13:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a very unfortunate section: Take that up at that policy's talk page. —Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Indictment" comment I was evaluating whether to post this, but saw Sandstein's comment above: The blurb and the article falsely tell us that the police have indicted Bolsonaro. In fact, the decision to indict lies with prosecutors. Reuters says: Brazil's prosecutor general is expected to weigh those two cases along with the police report on the alleged coup plot before bringing any charges against Bolsonaro early next year.[16] So it seems there's a conflict on whether he's indicted yet or not. For balance, CNN a few days ago had "Brazil’s Bolsonaro and allies indicted in 2022 coup plot probe". The previous Trump post that's been mentioned was for an indictment, but this discussion is not necessarily binded by that (WP:ITNSIGNIF). If there hasn't been an indictment, 2022 Brazilian coup plot needs to be updated to say that he's been accused by the police (or similar), and not use idict. —Bagumba (talk) 04:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is also Talk:2022 Brazilian coup plot § IndictmentBagumba (talk) 05:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bagumba, Sandstein This is caused by a translation issue and cultural barrier. The literal definition of "indict" is "to formally accuse of or charge with a serious crime". The police have formally accused Bolsonaro, under Brazil's criminal procedure for the referral of cases. The prosecutor then has a supplementary decision as to how or whether to lay charges in Court. In Portuguese, the same verb - "indiciar" - is used for both of these two "types" of accusations: see here. So, when English sources like CNN are translating from Portuguese coverage, they say he was "indicted": technically true, because of the literal definition of the word and how it is used in Brazil. However, it is misleading to the American reader, who usually interpret "indictment" purely legalistically - that is to say, charges have been laid in court by a prosecutor.
    Using the altblurb language of "formally accused by police" is more precise and avoids that misleading impact. IMHO there is a consensus that the story itself is notable enough, so I would recommend going with the alt as a compromise measure. FlipandFlopped 16:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Flipandflopped: If the alt blurb is considered accurate, then the article needs to change its contentious use of indict to something about being formally accused by the police.—Bagumba (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair point. I have raised the issue on the talk page and will make modifications to the article ASAP after giving folks time to raise disagreements to my interpretation. Hopefully then you or another admin can consider whether or not to post on the merits re: the notability of the event itself. FlipandFlopped 17:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @TDKR Chicago 101, Departure–, Rager7, AusLondonder, ExclusiveEditor, Harizotoh9, Aneirinn, The Kip, Gotitbro, PrecariousWorlds, and BilboBeggins:: You all !voted support when the early sources called this an indictment. However, the discussion has since identified sources that indicated that while the police "formally accused" Bolsonaro et. al., the federal prosecutor has yet to press charges i.e. indict. You're invited to either reaffirm or charge your position. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 07:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Translation error, I see, in that case I rescind my vote. It is already on tenous grounds that we post formal charges; police complaints should nowhere be near the Main Page. Gotitbro (talk) 07:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba I concur with Gotitbro accusations are not newsworthy compared to an actual indictment. I retract my vote. Rager7 (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: Thanks, in that case it's too early to post. If Bolsonaro is eventually charged/indicted I would support posting, but not before. AusLondonder (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and support revoked per above. Departure– (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) ICC arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant, and Mohammed Deif

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Article: International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif in its investigation of war crimes in Palestine. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NYTimes
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: We previously posted warrants being issued for Muammar Gaddafi and Omar Bashir and Vladimir Putin nableezy - 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Since the arrest warrants of Putin and others' were posted, I think this should be posted too as it is about a incumbent Prime Minister. LiamKorda 14:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support on notability, arrest warrants against world leaders have been posted before. Weak oppose on quality, the article isn't updated to where I think it should be to be posted. Besides that, otherwise it's well sourced. Departure– (talk) 14:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - an article has been made at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures. It's not protected yet, nor is it ITN quality, but it should be made the target. Departure– (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely no need for a separate article for the issuing of arrest warrants. It would have been far better to have an expansion of the ICC case. — Masem (t) 19:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per norm. Scuba 16:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops yeah, was intending to comment below. For clarity, Support posting this, too. AusLondonder (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Bit late, but I think at this point International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures should be posted, since it is the article that details the news story at hand. It would like linking to United States presidential election for the recent election. @Admins willing to post ITN: Knightoftheswords 21:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
would make it a bit of a chain link to wikilink "issues arrest warrants". nableezy - 23:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That article only mentions the Israelis, not the Hamas guy. Stephen 02:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Laos methanol poisoning

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Article: 2024 Laos methanol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four tourists are dead and ten others injured from a suspected methanol poisoning in Laos. (Post)
News source(s): The AgeGuardian
Credits:
 GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Terrible event, yes, but there's not a high number of fatalities, and the fact that they are tourists does not make it more notorious or more special.
_-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that unfortunately the death toll is likely to rise as there are a number of people on life support. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunate event but death toll is low and seems to be more of a local news event. LiamKorda 14:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability. This seems to be an incident of food poisoning the likes of which we've seen numerous times and are likely to see again. Not nearly as widespread or otherwise impactful as a contamination event should be to get posted; this seems to be restricted to a single hotel in Vang Vieng. Weak oppose on quality at the moment. Also, this nomination may be stale as the fatalities happened on 13 November, and this is likely to roll off the news cycle and ITN as a whole before notability gets demonstrated and quality improves. The oldest blurb is Justin Welby's resignation from 12 November. Departure– (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Tragic event, but accidents that cause four fatalities are sadly quite common. Even methanol poisoning isn't that unusual, see list of methanol poisoning incidents - and those are just the incidents that received media coverage and editor attention. The nationality of the victims has attracted media attention, but shouldn't affect our judgement of significance. I see no reason to treat this any differently than a traffic collision that caused four deaths, which would never be an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose routine accident/crime. not ITN worthy despite the tragedy. Scuba 16:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(needs attention) RD: Odile Bailleux

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Article: Odile Bailleux (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French organist and harpschordist, much admired. This source is from 21 November. One more day to expand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A review and a recording added, please check. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ursula Haverbeck

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Article: Ursula Haverbeck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, DW, JTA
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 10:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Prescott

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Article: John Prescott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former deputy PM of the UK. A few additional sources needed but it's not in terrible shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slow day, huh? Weak oppose - updated for the death but has a few CN tags - there's another in the article's body on a negative claim about Prescott that really should be sourced or removed. Departure– (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is good enough, except the one yellow tag. Rynoip (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article isn't perfect but I think it is good enough. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 00:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: looks to be ready. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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