Talk:Deir Yassin massacre

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Minor protected edit request - link to the wrong 'pulses' page

In the paragraph 'Deir Yassin' in the sentence " large quantities of flour, sugar, pulses and petrol were taken, all cattle seized, as well as some other livestock, and houses and shops were stripped of their goods, while substantial sums of money were also stolen." the word 'pulses' links to the wikipedia page Pulse, but should instead link to the page for pulses (legumes) Legume. RunRynRun (talk) 14:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks. Zero^talk 23:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Part of Plan Dalet?

Was this massacre a part of Plan Dalet?

According to Ilan Pappé's The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine:

The systematic nature of Plan Dalet is manifested in Deir Yassin, a pastoral and cordial village that had reached a non-aggression pact with the Hagana in Jerusalem, but was doomed to be wiped out because it was within the areas designated in Plan Dalet to be cleansed.

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added to the article:

Israeli historian Ilan Pappé wrote in his book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (2006) that "The systematic nature of Plan Dalet is manifested in Deir Yassin, a pastoral and cordial village that had reached a non-aggression pact with the Hagana in Jerusalem, but was doomed to be wiped out because it was within the areas designated in Plan Dalet to be cleansed." According to historian Benny Morris, Walid Khalidi also emphasized "the connection between the Haganah’s “Plan Dalet” [...] and what happened in Deir Yassin, explicitly linking the expulsion of the inhabitants to the Haganah’s overall planning."^[1]^{[better source needed]}

-IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 00:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Morris 2005

Main image

This photo used for the article seems to have no source or information provided about it. I'll be removing it for that reason, but if someone can rescue it or find an alternative image that would be great. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 07:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could put the images of the commemerative stamps in the infobox (if appropriate). IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 07:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the source: [1]

Also this Haaretz article has many pictures from the Israeli archive that could be added, since they are clearly lacking in the article. [2] Makeandtoss (talk) 09:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Am I missing something? How is that a valid source? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 10:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any response to this @Makeandtoss? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Usually these sites have the copyright and therefore the correct information. They’re not always accurate but at least they tell you the context. Plus a reverse image search shows no contradictions. Let’s not remove the picture from info boxe before finding replacement, of which plenty exist in the Haaretz article and can be uploaded to commons on a public domain license. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for uploading and adding to this article a proper image. @Makeandtoss. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haaretz

This Haaretz source gives a starkly different view of what had happened: there was no "house to house fighting", there was more like house to house terrorism with the organizations blowing up houses one after the other, and indiscriminately massacring civilians and burning their corpses: [3]. Has this article been written properly? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Has this article been written properly?" No. But it's getting better. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 10:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrote the description of the attack in the lead to better accord with the Haaretz article.

From "The village put up stiffer resistance than the Jewish militias had expected and they suffered casualties, but it fell after house-to-house fighting. Some of the Palestinian Arab villagers were killed in the course of the battle, while others were massacred by the Jewish militias while trying to flee or surrender."

To "The village put up stiffer resistance than the Jewish militias had expected and they suffered casualties from sniper fire. Nonetheless the militia advanced through the village destroying homes with explosives. Many of the villagers were massacred while trying to flee or surrender."

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 12:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drastically rewritten. See below section. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 11:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV Template: Background - Political and military situation

This section gives a distorted/unbalanced/incomplete presentation of the situation. Will take some work to fix.

Key background information is totally absent. The first paragraph is good. The second paragraph not so much.

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 22:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I drastically reduced the content per WP:TNT. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 01:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite of description of massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deir_Yassin_massacre&diff=1215831580&oldid=1215827765

Leaving this for discussion and review. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 11:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Content removed - poorly sourced and unsourced

The following was removed from the article primarily for being poorly sourced:

Hazem Nuseibeh, the news editor of the Palestine Broadcasting Service at the time of the attack, gave an interview to the BBC in 1998. He spoke about a discussion he had with Hussayn Khalidi, the deputy chairman of the Higher Arab Executive in Jerusalem, shortly after the killings: "I asked Dr. Khalidi how we should cover the story. He said, 'We must make the most of this.' So he wrote a press release, stating that at Deir Yassin, children were murdered, pregnant women were raped, all sorts of atrocities."^[1]

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I removed this as it was without inline citation:

They met for briefings on April 8, a few hours before the attack began. Lehi would stage its attack from Givat Shaul, and the Irgun from Beit HaKerem. Lapidot writes that the mood at the Irgun meeting was festive. It was the first time a large number of underground fighters had met openly, and the collaboration between the groups increased their sense of solidarity. They chose a password to reflect the mood, "Ahdut Lohemet" ("Fighters' Solidarity"). This was the phrase that would signal the start of the attack.

-IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 01:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^
"Interview with Hazam Nusseibeh" Archived October 15, 2016, at the Wayback Machine, Fifty Years' War, BBC, 1998.
- Also see Silver 1998 Archived November 2, 2012, at the Wayback Machine.

Word Spelled Wrong

In the second paragraph of the article, indiscriminately is spelled incorrectly. SirFlats (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling mistake?: "Hagana" vs "Haganah"

From the section Background / Plan Dalet: Pappé writes that that "The systematic nature of Plan Dalet is manifested in Deir Yassin, a pastoral and cordial village that had reached a non-aggression pact with the Hagana in Jerusalem..."

I assume "Hagana" refers to "Haganah." I am unsure if this is a variant spelling used in the direct quote or a typo.

I am also unable to directly check the source or edit the page.

If Pappé did write "Hagana" perhaps adding an "h" in square brackets - "hagana[h]" would keep the page consistent and would assist those of us unfamiliar with hebrew.

Thanks 2407:7000:8385:6D00:DA00:DA58:91BB:FFF6 (talk) 19:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pappé uses Hagana (per Google Books). I will add your suggestion for consistency's sake. Thanks! - Ïvana (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a variant spelling. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Morris 2005

[Nusseibehinterview-2] "Interview with Hazam Nusseibeh" Archived October 15, 2016, at the Wayback Machine, Fifty Years' War, BBC, 1998.
Also see Silver 1998 Archived November 2, 2012, at the Wayback Machine.

[3] Also see Silver 1998 Archived November 2, 2012, at the Wayback Machine.

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