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October 14

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October 14, 2024 (2024-10-14) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Science and technology

RD: Ka (rapper)

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Article: Ka (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Rapper and firefighter. Died on the 12th, death was announced today. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 23:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Europa Clipper launches

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Article: Europa Clipper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Europa Clipper probe is launched by NASA on a 6-year mission to the Jovian moon Europa. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Sky, Space.com
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Major interplanetary probe launch, and significant coverage from non-science focused sources. Seems to be getting a similar level of attention to Polaris Dawn, if not more. First orbital probe dedicated to exploring a single non-Earth moon. Jone425 (talk) 22:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Thomas J. Donohue

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Article: Thomas J. Donohue (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Axios
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobel Prize in Economics

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Articles: Daron Acemoglu (talk · history · tag) and Simon Johnson (economist) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their studies "of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their studies of global inequality.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded to Daron Acemoglu, Simon Johnson, and James A. Robinson for their studies of how institutions are formed and affect prosperity.
News source(s): The New York Times Noble Prize press release
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Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Both Johnson's, and Robinson's article are not ready and need some work. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 13

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October 13, 2024 (2024-10-13) (Sunday)

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New marathon world record for women

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Article: Ruth Chepng'etich (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In women's marathon, Ruth Chepng'etich (pictured) sets a new world record with a time of 2:09:56 to become the first woman to break the 2:10 barriers. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kenyan Ruth Chepng'etich breaks the women's marathon world record at the Chicago Marathon.
News source(s): BBC, CNN
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UCinternational (talk) 11:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support broke it by a considerable margin. Scuba 15:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a huge milestone in women's sports. Rager7 (talk) 21:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 21:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Donal Murray

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Article: Donal Murray (bishop) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Examiner
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 07:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starship Flight 5

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Article: Starship flight test 5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX successfully catches the Super Heavy booster on the launchpad during Starship flight 5. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters
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One of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history, and one of the most amazing and incredible spaceflights ever. It's hard to understate just how significant this is for the future of space exploration. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I wonder if there is a way to collapse groups of table rows into significant milestone fold outs. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is more a case to just cut it down to a few key points into prose, like the time it launched, the time it was caught, etc, those noted by independent sources. — Masem (t) 16:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There should be a separation between Elon Musk's statement and SpaceX's actions. In this case, this is objectively a new milestone in spaceflight because this demostrated that both of the rocket's stages can be reused, making the entirety of the rocket reusable, and is a prime goal of the Starship development program. WhatisMars (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A new milestone would be sending someone to Mars. I'd support ITN for that. Nigej (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That goes without saying, but we have three Nobel prize winners in ITN, an event that happens without fail every single year and isn't especially newsworthy. It's also something that basically no news media agencies cover. It's clear that the bar for getting into ITN is exceedingly low. Ergzay (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In what nation, User:Ergzay, do the media not cover the Nobels? The news has been full of it lately around here watching local and international channels - the local papers too. Nfitz (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
America for one. Google searching for just "nobel prize" I find some minor articles buried. Whereas this spaceX landing is listed as a top news item on both CNN, and Fox News on their front pages, neither of which mentions any nobel prizes. Also I'd note that each nobel prize award got its own separate entry rather than simply combining them. Most of the ITN section is now about nobel prizes. Ergzay (talk) 22:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which part of Americas? I see articles from Canada, the USA, and Brazil. one, two, three. Lots of other examples in each nomination as well. Nfitz (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles exist, my point was they are not prominent. But anyway, Nobel Prizes have a special exception to the normal rules for ITN content. So even if they wouldn't normally be posted they're posted anyway. Ergzay (talk) 01:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's proof of concept for a more efficient space program. So what? It's no more ITN worthy than every last incremental press-release-worthy improvement out there, whether in controlled fusion, desert reclamation, particle colliders, quantum computing, skyscraper building, telescope power, dark matter detection, and so on and so on. The same level of technological breakthrough would have justified at least two dozen James Webb Space Telescope ITN postings and at least one or two a year ongoing improvements to the various gravitational wave telescopes out there. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You describe small incremental changes yet dismiss this as only a small incremental improvement when it's unprecedented in the history of spaceflight. Minor discoveries by JWST which are a dime a dozen is not this. Ergzay (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was not talking about minor discoveries by JWST (which, by the way, has a good number of major discoveries to boot). I am talking about the astonishing engineering breakthroughs needed to get the JWST to work. The cryocooler, the gold-coated beryllium mirrors, the five layer sunshield, all were completely unprecedented. And LIGO's custom giant mirrors, quantum squeezing, ultra precise lasers, and so much more, have all have been major triumphs of cutting edge physics and engineering. But as they can't be boiled down to a geewhiz video, they are easy to disparage by someone who thinks I was just talking about "minor discoveries". I wasn't. Every one of those developments, and dozens more, in those two projects alone (and across numerous technologies that I gave a very very short list) has been unprecedented and utterly astonishing. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There will never be a time in history, other than today, where the first stage of a rocket booster is caught for the initial first time. Also, JWST was blurbed when it launched, and when it delivered its first imagery. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What was astonishing about JWST was not its engineering breakthroughs but how much it cost. Cryocoolers are standard things that exist in industry, gold plating of metals is also nothing special, the sunshield was made of mylar a common material. So no, nothing there is unprecedented. Ergzay (talk) 22:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the point they were getting at was more: right, now how many of those have been stuffed in a rocket, sent up to L2, then unfolded by computer control, and the instruments incl. mirror cooled and kept at 40 K? Then started snapping pics? In fact one instrument has to be kept at 7 K. Note beryllium is quite brittle, and the mirror itself had to be unfolded! Also the shield has to help keep the stuff that way not only from the Sun but the Earth and Moon which are still much hotter and radiate lots of photons that heat the scope. (Crash thermo 101 review heat goes hotter -> colder also energy = conserved, always has to go somewhere) Note also vacuum is a perfect insulator (think Thermos) so the cryo has to work by boiling off coolant into space, to exhaust the heat somewhere, no air to convect heat away. (All space tin cans w/ onboard bipedal monkeys have to too, ISS uses ammonia)

    For a little perspective: Total lifetime JWST cost projection: $9.7 bil in 2021$, adj to 2023$: $10.8 billion. Using {{inflation}}, nothin up my sleeve here. A smidge >1% of yearly US military spending in 2023 (and/or Medicare, which is slightly higher). (Take note of how often in discourse "cost" is invoked for things like science, vs how often for The Troops™ or for cops) ~3% 2023 US spending on "non-alcoholic drinks" ($328 bil, source internets). Not tap water, this is all drinks sold @ retail excl. booze. (Imagine putting a 1% soda tax on sugared drinks only—things that are not only completely unnecessary but actively terrible for public health—for health & science research! Let's not even get started on booze) .04% 2022 US GDP. Slowking Man (talk) 17:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is a reason JWST cost such an incredible amount (and was delayed for such a long long time). Multiple engineering breakthroughs that had to be discovered, tested, developed, invented, and then tested again. (And again and again because it was space.) The MIRI cryocooler had to get down to single digit kelvins. It uses an incredible thermoacoustic system custom invented for JWST, not some off-the-shelf industry standard. The mirrors were made out of beryllium (not standard) and then gold plated (yes, atomic vapor plating is standard) to an incredible precision (not stanard), and then aligned and adjusted after deployment (extremely not standard). The sunshield was a tennis court sized five layer shield, specially coated, specially spaced, so that excess heat would be steered out the gaps, and then it had to be folded up before launch and unfolded just so after launch. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 18:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major breakthrough with the booster catch (a first). Huge step forwards towards fully reusable rockets. 174.112.0.237 (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work As an engineering milestone, it's more impressive than Boeing's Starliner snafu. But the article's lead devotes most of its space to a spat with the FAA and seems to need re-balancing now. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: not sure why every single advancement in spaceflight needs to be blurbed. 128.91.40.237 said it best.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 18:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not just a "advancement". It's a landmark event in the history of spaceflight. Ergzay (talk) 21:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Semantics. And WP:PUFFERY. And WP:BLUDGEON. The most generous description by the New York Times is "a feat of technical wizardry". CNN's highest praise was "its most ambitious Starship test flight yet". Associated Press called it an "engineering feat" and "boldest test flight yet". Reuters called it "another novel engineering feat". These are descriptions worthy of DYK, not ITN.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 00:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a cringe statement. 130.245.192.6 (talk) 02:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry, I'm not following. Are you arguing that because the media is hyping it too much that that somehow makes ineligible for inclusion in the ITN section? If so I really don't understand the purpose of the ITN section. Is it not supposed to cover things that are notable and "in the news"? I cannot find your criteria anywhere in the ITN rules. Ergzay (talk) 12:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am saying that it is one remarkable step among many on a long path, but it gets ridiculously disproportionate hype, between "space" and "Musk". The press release hype does not belong in this discussion, but it's what we get right from the beginning: "One of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history" from the nominator. Rank balderdash. "This will be in engineering textbooks for decades to come" from the first comment. Silly piffle. But this wildly exaggerated hype is supposed to be a reason to support. Remove it, and you're left with mildly interesting development, whose value will be determined way down the line from now when actually interesting spaceflights occur. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 18:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I'm saying that not even these reliable sources are calling this some sort of landmark achievement in science and engineering. I'm saying the media isn't hyping it enough. Most of their descriptions are essentially "whoa this is neat".  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 20:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment One thing to remember, is that this test program is iterative. On each flight they plan to do a bit more. This is the 5th test flight. We did blurb Starship flight test 1, where both the stage 1 booster and stage 2 Starship spacecraft blew up after launch. The next 3 flights were also nominated. I would have thought that both Starship flight test 3 and Starship flight test 4 would have been possibly significant enough to blurb. In test flight 3, the booster exploded prematurely, but not before releasing the Starship spacecraft which did finally make it to space before exploding on re-entry. In test flight 4 both the booster and spacecraft successfully soft-landed in the ocean. For today's flight, the advances were that the booster sucessfully landed for the first time (with the capture by the launch tower) and the spacecraft soft-landing was more accurate, with less heat damage to the spacecraft. It seems to me that after the flight 1, the first sucessful launch (flight 3) was the most significant, followed by the first successful soft-landings (flight 4). So if those weren't blurbed, this shouldn't be either.
But at the same time, what is the line? The first successful landing on land (or ship) of the Starship spacecraft? The first orbital flight (those so far have been sub-orbital)? The first crewed flight (maybe Polaris-3?)? The first test landing attempt of Starship HLS on the Moon? The first test landing attempt on Mars? The first successful flight to lunar NHRO? The first Artemis 3 propellant flight? The launch of the Artemis 3 Starship HLS? There's many, many steps to this - and that doesn't include the obvious ITN items relating to the crewed portion of Artemis 3 moonshot. Perhaps we should lay out what these steps are in ITN/R so we don't have these last-minute discussions, where many don't appear to be fully aware of what is actually being done, or what the significance of an individual flight is. Nfitz (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also note that many people who oppose these posts don't seem to even understand what is significant int spaceflight and what is insignificant. Like in the previous nomination several people mentioned making it to orbit as being significant and landing Starship being less significant versus that. That showed a clear lack of understanding of the subject matter on what is and what is not significant. Ergzay (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's all just so otherworldly. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speak for yourself. (As in, your comments, while meant to clarify, are borderline personal attacks.) I oppose (strongly). And I also agree this was a spectacular, significant development for spaceflight. But I am not one of those people who think a play-by-play on the ongoing greatest moments in the development of spaceflight is all that ITN-worthy. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is arguing for a play-by-play. But if an event happens that has never happened before in history, do you not consider that sufficiently "in the news"? Ergzay (talk) 22:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The argument for test flight 2 being blurbed is that because less engines failed, it once again was the most powerful launch. In a program like this, isn't every flight something that has never happened before in history? Tomorrow SpaceX launches the largest interplantery probe ever built; do we blurb that? 2 hours after that SpaceX will land Crew-8 after it's record-breaking 7-month spacelight to the ISS - never before has a 4-person flight (or an American flight) lasted this long. Nfitz (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That argument for test flight 2 is a pretty poor one. It's still the same rocket. It gaining some thrust to make it again the most powerful is not notable. The rocket will be making further upgrades in the future to increase thrust further, also not notable. I'm not sufficiently knowledgable to know if you're making a correct statement that Europa Clipper is the largest interplanetary probe ever built. Even if that was the case however, I would not blurb about the launch. I would blurb about its arrival to Jupiter however. As the blurb would focus on the science it will do. It's launch isn't notable until it's actually capable of doing the mission. If a disaster occurred however I would blurb about it. Crew-8 as the number implies is just another crew rotation, nothing notable there. Ergzay (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will landing Starship be significant User:Ergzay? It certainly won't be the first spacecraft to land - they've been doing that since the 1960s. It won't be the first reusable spacecraft to land. And it won't be the first to land on legs. I'd argue that making it to orbit, and the booster landing in this novel way would be more significant. Nfitz (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Landing the Starship upper stage would be significant yes, but we're over a year a way from that at least. To make a comparison, it would be at least equivalent to the first landing of the Space Shuttle, though likely even more important than that. There's only one orbital rocket in history that's landed vertically before, Falcon 9, and we definitely put that in the news section (assuming we had that section back then).
Making it to orbit is not at all significant, almost to the point of irrelevance. The vehicle already has the performance to do so. They've simply been refraining from doing so. I would oppose any attempt to put an in the news segment for a Starship reaching orbit, similarly for it releasing its first payload into orbit. The notable events coming up that I see deserving of being in this section is, this grab with the chopsticks, a future grab with the chopsticks of the Starship upper stage, the first landing on the moon of Starship, and the first landing on the moon with humans. Ergzay (talk) 22:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO the first ship landing will be notable, first manned flight will be notable, first HLS lunar landing will be notable, of course the Artemis missions will be, and if the unmanned Mars missions go ahead in 2 years I could see that meeting the threshold PrecariousWorlds (talk) 04:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've not opposed this, User:Natg 19. I've been discussing it and asking questions. I've come to the conclusion that this is ITN, and not just another SpaceX test flight. And not just another rocket to land after launch - and this one is absolutely massive, the biggest in history - far more powerful than a Saturn V. And the capture technique is completely novel. Nfitz (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for my mischaracterization, struck that. Natg 19 (talk) 21:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - We don't need a steady drip feed of updates about this project. The amount of puffery surrounding it is quite unreasonable. The technical achievements are impressive, but attempts to spin each individual test as a revolutionary advance in space flight run rapidly into the field of excessively specific superlatives. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry but you really do not understand the significance here. This landing was absolutely a revolutionary advancement in spaceflight. There is no "spin" here. It's really evident that there's an overall lack of education on spaceflight matters on the general side of Wikipedia. Nothing like this has ever been achieved in the history of humanity. This is not "puffery". This article is a reasonable post describing the significance. Ergzay (talk) 12:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose like all the other partial test flights. As I've commented on the previous nominations, if/when Starship successfully puts a genuine payload into orbit we should post. Not each incremental improvement in the test flights. SpaceX is getting there, which is good for them, but it's not an operating launch vehicle yet. Modest Genius talk 12:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But putting a payload in orbit is NOT significant... This flight was not "incremental". It was revolutionary. I would be against putting the flight where they achieve orbit in ITN because that is not notable. Ergzay (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What a bizarre view of significance. You don't think it's important for a orbital launch vehicle to actually launch something useful to orbit? A photogenic booster landing is all very well, but Starship hasn't achieved its purpose yet. It's still a work in progress, and ITN shouldn't post each step of that progress, only when the goal is actually achieved. Modest Genius talk 15:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Boeing's Starliner mission ultimately failed, yet we still blurbed the launch. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nonsense. Starliner successfully transported two astronauts to the ISS, at which point it was posted in ITN. That they didn't use the same spacecraft to come down again is irrelevant, especially as that was months later than the nomination. Starship hasn't successfully launched anything yet. Modest Genius talk 15:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per support comments above. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all the opposing opinions expressed above. This is just an another nomination of SpaceX flight be touted as the "first time in the history to do (...)". We have already have posted many stories about this company's flights and I don't think we should it anymore unless something really Big happens in the future. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The booster catch is one such "something really big" event and should be posted. 174.112.0.237 (talk) 14:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This achievement actually is a really big deal. It's easy to become disillusioned with all the partisan politics surrounding Musk, but the fact is we've witnessed history being made. Reusable large first-stage boosters are the predecessor to putting payloads into space being economical (at scale). We aren't getting off this planet without reusable launch systems. I'd encourage folks to put Musk's politics aside and perhaps read this article. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that this is, as you said, a really big story. Scuba 15:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support After discussing this I've come to the conclusion that this is ITN, and not just another SpaceX test flight. This rocket is monstrously huge - the biggest ever, far bigger than Saturn V. Making this rocket reusable changes spaceflight forever. And then there's the completely new and incredible way of it landing - being caught in mid-air by something akin to chopsticks, rather than ever touching the ground. There's significant international coverage - it's even on the top of the fold this morning in the biggest national paper here. Nfitz (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Theoretically support since this seems like an important accomplishment, but oppose for now since the article's body needs more prose about the flight & the catch. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season

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Consensus against posting. --Tone 10:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Conspiracy theories spread in the aftermath of Hurricanes Helene and Milton. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida, followed by conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Violence against recovery workers spreads after Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida.
News source(s): Washington Post, New York Times, Associated Press
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Now that the storms have subsided, a major topic of national news is the misinformation and conspiracy theories spreading about the hurricanes and the disaster relief. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 06:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tsk tsk... trying to influence the weather by organizing a conspiratorial flashmob snowdance... :) -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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October 12

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October 12, 2024 (2024-10-12) (Saturday)

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RD: Tylee Craft

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Article: Tylee Craft (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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Article updated
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Football player for the University of North Carolina. 240F:7A:6253:1:AD2F:6B55:B4EB:821E (talk) 12:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is no prose about his life prior to the year 2020. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lilly Ledbetter

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Article: Lilly Ledbetter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
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Article updated
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American activist who sued Goodyear for gender discrimination. 240F:7A:6253:1:AD2F:6B55:B4EB:821E (talk) 12:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in great shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Three cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tito Mboweni

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Article: Tito Mboweni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC News
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Article updated
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Former financial minister of South Africa. 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose chunks of article aren't sourced. Scuba 14:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jackmaster

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Article: Jackmaster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Real name Jack Revill, Scottish DJ who tragically passed away after complications following a head injury. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Baba Siddique

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Article: Baba Siddique (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

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Indian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: G. N. Saibaba

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Article: G. N. Saibaba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

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Professor and human rights activist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article seems quite good. Rynoip (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD ready) RD/Blurb: Alex Salmond

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Article: Alex Salmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured), a prominent figure in the Scottish independence movement, dies at age 69. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured) dies at the age of 69.
News source(s): The Times, Sky News
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  • Support Woah, this is how I find out? At first glance article seems good to go, I might even suggest to consider a blurb here given his importance in the Scottish independence referendum/movement. The Kip (contribs) 16:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now that it's being discussed, support blurb - the Scottish independence referendum was one of Europe's most notable political events in recent memory, and the impact of the movement Salmond sat at the top of was significant across the continent. Easily a transformative figure in British and European politics. The Kip (contribs) 21:42, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What criteria of statehood does it meet? Is it legislatively independent? Does it control territory? Is it a member of international organisations like the European Union or the United Nations? Yes, Scotland is a country. But it is a subnational country. AusLondonder (talk) 06:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"subnational country" is quite the oxymoron RachelTensions (talk) 20:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb dare I say he was the most important person in Scottish politics for a while. Scuba 21:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb subnational leaders are almost never blurbed. Not serving at time of death. Good argument for OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like how I had an edit conflict with you and it turns out I basically said the exact opposite of what you said haha.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 23:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was not a subnational leader; Scotland is widely accepted to be a country & nation within a wider multinational state. RachelTensions (talk) 04:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's subnational in that is is not a sovereign state. It is like Greenland within the Kingdom of Denmark. AusLondonder (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: Despite his highest office being that of subnational leader, he was clearly an important figure in UK and even European politics. And he was still active in Scotland politics up to his death so this isn't just a case of "old man dies".  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 23:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I hope I do not come across as boorish in this comment. If this nomination was from anywhere other than the Anglosphere, the nomination would have been met with a barrage of "not transformative", "have hardly heard his name", "no major world impact" comments. And, then after languishing for some time it would be tagged with Admin attention / evaluation required and that would be that. I sincerely wish these discussions would be different. See our discussion on M. S. Swaminathan if you'd so wish to. Do not reply to this comment showing me an existent but not followed segment of WP:ITNRDBLURB, I am just showing a mirror to this group. I truly believe we will be better off posting more often to the homepage. Sincere condolences to the departed. Ktin (talk) 23:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Personally, if the New Caledonian independence movement has a figure of equal stature I’d consider blurbing them as well. The Kip (contribs) 23:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For me the criteria for RDB is only if the death per se is notable (i.e. death of a serving head of government causing a political change, or an assassination, etc). Though personally I'd be okay with doing away with RDB entirely except for serving heads of state/government. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How do you measure "stature" of pro-independence leaders? Isn't it simply that you know more about Salmond because you're English-speaking and don't know New Caledonian leaders because you're not French-speaking? AusLondonder (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sitaram Yechury seems a better Indian equivalent as a major national politician. It's easy to compare the standing of such figures with our readership -- just look at the all time views for their articles. They have each had about two million readers over the last 10 years. Salmond's spike is the largest. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    By that logic, we should be blurbing Ratan Tata views here (while I understand the politician vs business leader distinction). Will remind this group that we did not. Ktin (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb, unknown outside of the UK. Abductive (reasoning) 05:05, 13 Octo[[Death of Benito Mussoliniber 2024 (UTC)
    Hardly, given the impact of the Scottish independance movement on other similar movements across Europe. He literally died after giving a speech in North Macedonia, and had a show on Russia Today; neither of which are the UK. CoconutOctopus talk 06:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hardly known. Blurbs should be reserved for people whose death alone could support a Wikipedia article, such as Killing of Osama bin Laden, Death of Diana, Princess of Wales, Death of Benito Mussolini, you know, deaths that might be interesting to readers. Abductive (reasoning) 09:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Whilst I'm not claiming that Salmond should have a blurb, I'm pretty sure the story is "interesting" for those in Scotland (and Scots elsewhere). Black Kite (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Recent deaths is sufficient as a former leader of a non-sovereign state. While undoubtedly significant in Scotland and the UK, he had very little international significance. I'm not seeing widespread, substantial coverage outside of the UK. AusLondonder (talk) 06:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability He is clearly a highly influential person due to this close association with the Scottish independence movement. "Unknown outside UK" arguments should be disregarded because an item cannot be opposed just because the event is only relating to a single country. But, article have many cn tags that needs to be resolved before it is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Picture We don't really need a prose blurb as the details of the death aren't remarkable and the subject's name is distinctive. But we have a good picture of his fairly famous face and so should use it. The current picture of Han Kang has been up for 24 hours and so it's time for a change and the viewing figures indicate that the stories are of similar significance to our readership. And we should get on with it rather than dithering because the "comet of the century" is coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Halley's is still "the comet of the century" to me, but yeah, Picture When Ready. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For those that claim he was important, there is no standalone section in the article that gives any impression of what his legacy or impact was on Scotland, so trying to wade through the text there to make that determination is impossible. You cannot just hand-wave the claim of importance and not have it clear as day on the article that that is justified. There are a few statements in the death section that lean in the right direction, but that alone doesn't give enough of a summary with actual impact to justify a blurb. --Masem (t) 12:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also as a comment, there are far too many non-support !votes talking about lack of knowing who he was or that Scotland's too small to consider for a blurb. That is absolutely not how we judge the posting of any blurb (RD or not) on ITN. --Masem (t) 12:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I was shocked by the news and thought this should be a blurb, because he was a highly visible sub-national leader due to the referendum - just like Carles Puigdemont is not just any other Catalan leader and Nigel Farage is not just any other Eurosceptic. But I can't see another situation where an independence leader who lost a referendum would be posted. Was there any suggestion that Jacques Parizeau, whose referendum would have changed the face of North America, should have been posted in 2015? Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact Puigdemont went further and declared independence which came to nothing but sent Catalonia into the abyss. And, even so, I think he would hardly be a successful candidate for his death to be psoted as blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I think a lot of people here are severely under-estimating he importance of the First Minister. It's of more power and prestige than American governors and doesn't really have much of an equivalence except that they wield influence similar to that of sovereign countries of similar size to Scotland, even if Scotland is not independent in itself. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 15:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We do not post RD blurbs just because of the government position a person did, but what accomplishes they did while in that position. Not saying this doesn't exist for Salmond, but it needs to be far better explained in the article with sourcing. Masem (t) 15:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    California economy: larger than the entire UK's. California state budget (don't bother with link one of those essentially untouched in decade+ articles) fiscal yr 2023 (rounded): solely state general fund: $235 billion; total all funds & incl. transfers from Uncle Sam: $468 billion. (£1 (2023) (US$1.24)) Full total getting to around third of total UK budget it looks like. Surely influential CA govs should get blurbed then. (CA independence mvmt leaders? Let's wait and see... Note those transfers incl plenty of fed tax $ paid by people & entities in CA) Slowking Man (talk) 18:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality The article has a few CN tags that should be fixed first. No opinion on blurb. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, oppose on quality Article currently has six cn tags. Would support blurb due to his importance in the Scottish independence movement. Article does establish his importance in such a movement / impact in Scottish/UK politics. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @MonarchOfTerror: @TDKR Chicago 101: I don't believe that the article has any cn tags now. Sahaib (talk) 07:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - I'm not inherently opposed to sub-national figures getting blurbs, but Donald Dewar was the truly epoch-making figure in Scottish politics. Salmond was a contentious figure, and his more recent forays with Alba show that he couldn't carry the movement with him. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 11

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October 11, 2024 (2024-10-11) (Friday)

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RD: Mike Bullard (comedian)

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Article: Mike Bullard (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star
Credits:

Article updated
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Canadian stand-up comic and broadcaster. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ward Christensen

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Article: Ward Christensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ycombinator News, Mastodon
Credits:

Article updated
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The co-founder of the world's first BBS and creator XMODEM was found dead on October 11th. Likely needs additional verification before posting. +++ATH0 Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article looks okay now to me I think? /me holds up off-hook phone handset in memory \n<CR> --- NO CARRIER
(yes I know that's more IRC) Slowking Man (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kiril Marichkov

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Article: Kiril Marichkov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bulgarian News Agency: Bulgarian Rock Legend Kiril Marichkov Dies at 79
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Bulgarian rock musician. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Nobel Peace Prize

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Article: Nihon Hidankyo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to the Japanese atomic bomb survivors group, Nihon Hidankyo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to Nihon Hidankyo "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons and for demonstrating, through witness testimony, that nuclear weapons must never be used again".
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to the Japanese atomic bomb survivors group Nihon Hidankyo "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons".
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Guardian, Noble Peace Prize press release
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Article updated
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The winner's article needs expansion as it is currently barely more than a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, why does literature not have the reason?Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question 3 out of the 4 current "In The News" blurbs are Nobel Prizes right now... can/should they be condensed into one, or should we delay adding more until we have a better variety of "news"? Right now the "In The News" box just looks like a Nobel Prize news feed RachelTensions (talk) 12:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Prize and the Price I didn't see the peace prize covered yet. The story I noticed in the NYT today when browsing was The Price . This gives the latest spend on nuclear weapons by the USA. Perhaps they posted it because of the peace prize or perhaps it's just coincidence.
Anyway, it caught my attention because I wrote about this as Renovation of the nuclear weapon arsenal of the United States back in 2015 when the price tag was about a trillion US$. The figure is now $1.7 trillion and counting. That's partly inflation and partly goofs like a roof at Y-12 being 13 feet out, which cost a mere $540 million. Now the peace prize is about $1 million so let's compare those numbers to put things in proportion:
  • Nobel peace prize = $1,035,000
  • US planned spend on new nukes = $1,700,000,000,000
The ratio between the prize and that planned spend is over a million. That's your tax dollars at work and so it goes. But tell me, which of these stories is more significant...?
Andrew🐉(talk) 12:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict)[reply]
This isn't about the US doing routine maintenance of it's nuclear arsenal, it's about the Nobel peace prize Scuba 12:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The prize was awarded to the group "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons..." The article doesn't explain that these efforts seem to have been fruitless. The other prize winners seem to have concrete achievements so the comparative failure seems to need explanation. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(The Peace Prize has looooong been a "messaging" thing before all else, given to stuff those who decide who they give the award to, want to hit the +1 like button for. Look up who got the 1973 prize—take an indigestion pill first. Double-bonus: look at which of them gleefully took it, and which one refused it! --Slowking Man (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Also they gave one to Arafat. 166.198.25.23 (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also begin and peres Go figure. that's not relevant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They also gave one to Obama. Scuba 02:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dude it's a nobel peace price, awarded to elderly hiroshima survivors, to say that "nukes are bad". I don't think anyone at the Nobel foundation genuinely thinks it'll abolish the world's nuclear weapons, it's just messaging. Scuba 02:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"But tell me, which of these stories is more significant"
So the order is Nobel Peace Prize < Nuclear spending of the US < Some random comet will be visible. Got it. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTAFORUM. Ergo this should be closed or removed.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support the article looks good. Scuba 02:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready yet. History section only covered activities up to 1965, then barely anything since then. Looking at the ja.wp article, there are more contents that should be covered before it's ready for main page. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem is that any history about the organization is only found in Japanese sources, including what is already in the article.--ReyHahn (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can't we just cannibalize the Japanese wiki's article? Scuba 15:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For users like me that have no idea on how to read Japanese or what Japanese sources are reliable, it is very difficult to asssess the notability of the content.WP:NOENG says that we should ask for translations when there is some apprehension about its content, which is very cumbersome when there are so many non-English sources. To be clear: it is an issue but the current article is (at least to me) fine enough for a blurb.--ReyHahn (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:NOENG just says that English language sources are preferred. In most cases a machine translation is fine unless it's a contentious subject, BLP, or whatever claim you're citing seems too left-field to be accurate. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this reply directed to me or another user? I support the blurb as I said this is not subjected to WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm just clarifying your statement that "WP:NOENG says that we should ask for translations which is very cumbersome when there are so many non-English sources" because it seemed like you interpreted WP:NOENG to mean that we need to ask for a human translation of any source we wish to cite in an article. RachelTensions (talk) 08:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, fixed wording.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can read Chinese, which gives me an advantage in assessing and comparing our en.wp content with ja.wp page because I can read kanji. In ja.wp, there's a history section with bullet points highlighting their activities from 1967 to 1996 which is absent in en.wp. There were also blurbs about membership numbers in this organization in circa 2000. This is why I stated the en.wp isn't ready for main page yet. Side note, has our volunteer base dwindled to the point that we don't have a Japanese-English editor who is willing to check the Japanese sources for us? OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I asked for help in Wikiproject Japan and got not response. If that history is not covered elsewhere in Enlgish it is not notable enough. Anyway missing history is not a reason to decline an ITN. I--ReyHahn (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nobuyo Ōyama

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Article: Nobuyo Ōyama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Japan Times
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Article updated
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Japanese voice actress known for being the voice of Doraemon and Monokuma. Death occurred on 29 September but news was only released today. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 10

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October 10, 2024 (2024-10-10) (Thursday)

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(Posted) RD: Fleur Adcock

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Article: Fleur Adcock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
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Article updated
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Noted New Zealand poet. 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Cormack

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Article: Peter Cormack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
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Article updated
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Former Hibernian, Liverpool and Scotland midfielder. 240F:7A:6253:1:189C:4A1A:9ED4:16C1 (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Archive Breach

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Article: Internet Archive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Internet Archive is DDoSed and hacked, resulting in 31 million accounts compromised. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After a series of DDoS attacks and security breaches, 31 million accounts on the Internet Archive are compromised.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 31 million accounts are compromised on the Internet Archive, after a sequence of attacks and data breaches.
Alternative blurb III: ​ 31 million accounts are compromised on the Internet Archive, after a sequence of attacks and data breaches made by a Palestinian hacker organization.
News source(s): Bleeping Computer Forbes Newsweek Wired
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Article updated

Very prominent archive known for its archive of webpages and various different digital-based data is attacked and suffers a security breach. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you're in support of a Wikipedia that's more of a popularity contest than "the sum total of human knowledge". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying it isn't worthy of its own article. But until it has one it shouldn't be featured in itn. –DMartin 06:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Statement: IA estimated traffic rank is ~180 (assuming something like that is meant by "world's biggest websites"), which isn't nothing, but is a ways below such sites as Douyin, ok.ru, VK.com, Cricbuzz, Detik.com, and Figma. Asking for curiosity any of those have any past security issues that got ITN blurbed? Not to mention Tsyndicate which...uh apparently per a brief search is controlled by cybercrime/malicious actors and used for malware! And is blocked by things like Google Safe Browsing for that reason! Yet still in top 50 sites globally by traffic! Important WP article missing here for people looking for something to do! (IOW basically what GeorgeMemulous wrote below) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In the grand scheme of data breaches, 31 million accounts is not a surprisingly large number and while it may SEEM bad, it's really just hashed passwords which means all that was leaked was usernames and emails. I'll be seeing more spam in my inbox in due time. Also, where's the main article for this? Kline • talk • contribs 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose And it is not 31 million accounts, but 31 million records, which could be 31 million users but also could consider multiple records per person. Significant difference. Also, 31 million is tiny compared to past breaches which have easily exceeded 100 million. --Masem (t) 03:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Interesting. Unusual (why the internet archive), and ofcourse the archive is one of the best websites on the internet ever. Also i dont wanna get accused of trolling or wahtever but this page is such a slog these days, I can bet you 99% of the news here - about elections in Micronesia and the winners of a tourney of horse football - most people not just not care about those, but actively roll their eyes whenever these get posted. This piece of news however is actually fresh and interesting. Kasperquickly (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — 31 million accounts is not significant. ITN is not for interesting facts but significant news. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance This is a pretty substantial take down of such a large website. However, I have to oppose on quality as the article on the IA is full of CN tags and has an orange-tagged section as needing an update. I would also oppose ALT3 as it is just factually untrue; the group claiming to have carried out the attack is based in Russia and has never claimed to be Palestinian. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Murasoli Selvam

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Article: Murasoli Selvam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
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Prominent newspaper editor of current Tamil Nadu state party-led government Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam. Abishe (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ethel Kennedy

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Article: Ethel Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NYT
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Wife of Robert F. Kennedy and mother of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. dies at age 96. Davey2116 (talk) 15:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Literature

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Article: Han Kang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean writer Han Kang (pictured) for her "intense poetic prose exposing fragility of life". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean writer Han Kang (pictured) for her "intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life".
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean poet and novelist Han Kang (pictured).
News source(s): The Hindu, The New York Times, Noble Prize press release
Credits:

Article updated
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The winner's article needs some work before it is ready to be posted. Also, I am not sure whether to include her distinction as first Asian female Nobel laureate in Literature in the blurb or not. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now it is good to go.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 9

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RD: Leif Segerstam

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Article: Leif Segerstam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WFMT
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Composer of 371 symphonies, conductor of major opera companies and orchestras worldwide, leading positions in Austria, Germany, Sweden and his native Finland, teacher of notable conductors. - This article was mainly there, even with plenty of sources, only: many of them are in Finnish or Swedish, and all of the many archived ones don't work. I feel that by now we have enough accessible sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lily Ebert

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Article: Lily Ebert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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No sourcing issues, long enough. Mooonswimmer 01:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good Scuba 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: George Baldock

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Article: George Baldock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SDNA
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Article updated
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Football player. Could use some more work on sources. mwwv converse∫edits 20:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 15:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fairness, both were already referenced in the first line of the main prose of the article so I didn't think extra refs in the infobox were required. I've cited it in the infobox now and removed the 'citation needed' tags in any case. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think what Schwede66 meant to write was that the referencing needed fixing there. The two footnotes linked to sources that gave different DoBs. I have taken out "Hugman", which stated "26 January 1993" as the DoB, and replaced with the obituary on The Times, which shows "March 9, 1993", same as the DoB shown in the other existing footnoted sources. --PFHLai (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS)

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Article: C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) makes its closest approach to Earth on 12 October. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) is visible to the western sky after sunset on 12 October and onwards.
News source(s): guardianNYTSky & TelescopeBBC
Credits:

Article updated
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The second brightest comet visible from the Earth the last 50 years. It already graced the southern skies the previous weeks, now it makes it closest approach to Earth on 12 October, before emerging in the western sky. --C messier (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It won't be really be visible October 12. Wait a few days? Nfitz (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until October 12, hopefully this doesn't end up like the 2nd moon where the consensus was to post when it actually entered orbit and then everyone just forgot to nominate it again Scuba 22:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was just about to nominate 2024 PT5 and forgot lol High Admiral JMT (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the status of 2024 PT5 on that date but there was still no good picture at that time and nothing much more to say. A renomination therefore did not seem sensible. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comets are unpredictable, but not that unpredictable. It won't vanish in two days and up to now it has been quite predictable. On 12 October it will be quite low in the sky, near Venus, and set early, while the tail curves back to the Sun. After the 14th will be an easy to see object (although the moonlight will interfer). C messier (talk) 04:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Ratan Tata

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Article: Ratan Tata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian Business magnate (industrialist or tycoon) and philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group, Ratan Tata dies at the age of 86. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ratan Tata Highest Indian civilian honours award winner (Padma Bhushan and Padma Vibhushan), and International Honor Awards winner , dies at the age of 86.
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, CNN, The New York Times, the GuardianHT
Credits:

Article updated
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Indian industrialist, philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't there be a blurb here? 2409:40C0:101E:59D2:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 06:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2401:BA80:A30F:5D1C:DCB7:5373:D5BE:66F7 (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Iwao Hakamada

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WP:SNOW close. The Kip (contribs) 00:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Iwao Hakamada (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The acquittal of Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest serving death row inmate for more than 45 years, is finalized as Japanese prosecutors decide to not appeal against the verdict in the retrial. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press, Nippon TV
Credits:

Note: we also posted the news about him in March 2014. --UCinternational (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose dyk not itn Scuba 14:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ineligible for DYK. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - more finalization of a procedure than anything else. I would like to note however a decade later, that in ITN's current environment, his acquittal would likely not even be posted, nor nominated. — Knightoftheswords 19:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Nobel Prize in Chemistry

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Articles: Demis Hassabis (talk · history · tag) and John M. Jumper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The New York Times, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

All three winners' articles look good enough even though Jumper's article is bit short and they need to be updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lee Wei Ling

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Article: Lee Wei Ling (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lee-wei-ling-daughter-lee-kuan-yew-dies-aged-69-4667096
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Daughter of Lee Kuan Yew, sister of Lee Hsien Loong (both Prime Ministers of Singapore). There are portions that may still require citations. – robertsky (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 8

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RD: Edward Vaughn

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Article: Edward Vaughn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Michigan Chronicle
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Civil Rights Icon.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose needs sources. Scuba 23:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tim Johnson (South Dakota politician)

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Article: Tim Johnson (South Dakota politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, NYT
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Article updated
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American politician, U.S. senator from South Dakota (1997–2015), dies at age 77. Davey2116 (talk) 03:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose needs citations. Scuba 23:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) RD: Bernard Tissier de Mallerais

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Article: Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Croix
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Article updated
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Dissident Catholic bishop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Luis Tiant

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Article: Luis Tiant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Admittedly, needs a lot of work. Hopefully can be improved by the end of the week, to get listed at RD. Natg 19 (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arie L. Kopelman

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Article: Arie L. Kopelman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWD
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Article updated
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Thriley (talk) 17:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taye Atske Selassie elected President of Ethiopia

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Article: Taye Atske Selassie (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taye Atske Selassie is elected President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Taye Atske Selassie is appointed President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde.
News source(s): Bloomberg Barron's (AFP)
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There probably should be an article for the 2024 Ethiopian presidential election. Varavour (talk) 14:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physics

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Hopfield (left) and Hinton (right)
Articles: John Hopfield (talk · history · tag) and Geoffrey Hinton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their inventions that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks.
News source(s): The Guardian The New York Times Nobel Prize press release
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Hopfield's article needs some work, but Hinton's article is in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We even have images now if you want to make it an image blurb.--ReyHahn (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support articles look good. Scuba 03:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 7

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(Posted) RD: Amaury du Closel

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Article: Amaury du Closel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio France
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French conductor and composer who will be remembered for promoting the music of composers who were silenced by totalitarian regimes in the 20th century. Stubbish article expanded and referenced more. There could be more detail from the sources found, if someone has the time to add it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hera mission launch

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Article: Hera (space mission) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The space mission Hera (pictured) launches from Cape Canaveral on 7 October 2024 at 14:52 UTC. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The space mission by ESA, Hera (pictured) launches from Cape Canaveral on 7 October 2024 at 14:52 UTC.
News source(s): [1]
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A new space probe launched. Rather famous for being the first mission to rendezvous with a binary asteroid. High Admiral JMT (talk) 08:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality More references are needed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose This launch should be posted, however, the article in it's current state isn't ready. Scuba 03:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brian Hastings

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Article: Brian Hastings (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former world record holder Kiwi cricket batter Brian Hastings dies
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Article updated
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Have gone through the article and added missing citations. Looks in decent shape now. Schwede66 21:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lore Segal

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Article: Lore Segal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, ABC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Austrian-American novelist, teacher and short story writer. 240F:7A:6253:1:4C5F:E789:5E5F:4B18 (talk) 06:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hurricane Milton

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Article: Hurricane Milton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured) is upgraded to a Category 5 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured) is upgraded to a Category 5 hurricane by the National Hurricane Center.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured), one of the fastest-intensifying and most intense Atlantic hurricanes on record, approaches Florida.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Historic evacuations commence in Florida in advance of Hurricane Milton, the most intense Atlantic hurricane since 2005.
News source(s): [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
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This Hurricane has had incredible effects on the southern United States already, it's already a category 5 hurricane and has caused mass evacuations so far. It is as strong as Hurricane Dean, and is currently the dominating the reporting in the US. It is an important historical event that is occurring. Des Vallee (talk) 23:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait as per usual we wait to see what the impact is, not before it makes landfall. It has a good chance to be posted after that. Masem (t) 23:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • To add, the reason we wait for landfall is that the coverage of damage itself needs to be established as to make sure the quality of the article is going in the right direction. If for some reason Milton just vanished overnight and did no landfall, the article still would need improvements to describe that. It's clear this won't happen, Milton will cause a lot of flooding if not more, but we show know how extensive that is without our article to make sure the quality is established. — Masem (t) 16:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Unlike Helene, we have a conceivable chance of seeing an objective record being broken, with Milton already having the fastest intensification from TD to Category 5. Otherwise, wait until landfall and actual impacts. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the impacts are known, although I would support blurbing this if more intensity records are broken by this storm. (I mean, it's already the 5th most intense Atlantic hurricane as of this writing, I would not be surprised if it would try to break Wilma's record low pressure.) Vida0007 (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changing this to Post-posting support. Well-sourced, and this is definitely the biggest news right now. This hurricane's impacts are now being felt in Florida too, even spawning several tornadoes. Vida0007 (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe it is now the most intense in the Gulf of Mexico, and the strongest since Wilma overall. I don't think it's going to reach Wilma's intensity though. It's probably going to be blurbed at landfall anyway. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • SMH. Can we PLEASE wait for impacts in the future? Not gonna request a closure like last time because Milton is already impacting portions of the Gulf Coast and probably will be worthy of posting within 48 hours, but really, we should wait in the future. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that Milton in particular is different than Helene and the other one I can't remember immediately: Milton is setting records well over 24 hours out from landfall, and I think that warrants having an ITN discussion open. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not great for posting of records that routinely get broken (like strongest storms). Its the impact of the storm that matters, because not only that is what gets larger attention, but also a better judge for quality of the article to make sure it covers the bulk of such impacts. — Masem (t) 00:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Seconding what Masem said. And I'm gonna say the forbidden words again: as things stand currently, Milton is a much better DYK candidate than a ITN candidate. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it's quite unsuitable for DYK because it's breaking news and so the article will be getting lots of development. The DYK process might take weeks as it has a long pipeline which is overloaded and so is not appropriate for such a topical topic. ITN is obviously the best place to handle this as it routinely covers weather stories and is currently blurbing two others. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Post-Posting Support. I'm pleased with this timing. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Can't we just wait for the tropical cyclone's impacts instead of nominating it as soon as it reaches a certain intensity? Patience is a virtue. --ZZZ'S 00:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It already seems clear that this is a big one and the preparations are in the news. The article seems reasonably substantial with 65 citations and counting. It's silly to hold back on this so we can continue to blurb a stale sports story from over a week ago. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm unconvinced that there's a reason to bash a sports nomination, especially given that 1 week isn't particularly long ago. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That blurb has been run for 8 straight days now, which is much more than the typical featured article gets, never mind DYK. But you know the saying "there's nothing as stale as yesterday's news"? Just think how much more that applies when it's last week's news or last month's news, as it is in that case. And then there's diminishing returns too. After our readers have seen the item a few times, then they will starting tuning it out. And so the consequence is that just about no-one is reading that article now. It's done.
    The fix for this is easy; just run new items that are actually in the news. Like this hurricane that is so terrifying that it moved a veteran meteorologist to tears.
    Andrew🐉(talk) 14:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I agree with Andrew Davidson, The article is in a good shape, is making headlines and I think it is good enough time now to post this. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until we can give Milton a blurb that puts it above all the other category 5 hurricanes that didn't make ITN. So far, all we have is preparations (WP:CRYSTALBALL), the intensity (strongest since 2005), and the speed of intensification (fastest on record from tropical depression to category 5). If we can't, then let's have the patience to wait until landfall. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Altblurb 2 proposed, which I think gives it the correct importance. Yes, it's before landfall we're supporting it, but this is a record-setter after all (strongest since 2005, least time between TD and cat 5 hurricane). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per GeorgeMemulous. Based on the intensification, this particular one is an exception to the rule that we wait for a direct landfall on the mainland U.S. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait It hasn't hit land yet, its a good idea to wait for its effects and any casualty tolls before it is published on ITN. It is also a good idea include Helene alongside it when it makes landfall, as two powerful and devastating hurricanes in a very close period of time is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Helene's devastation was primarily in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia (U.S. state), whereas Milton's is almost certainly going to be concentrated in Florida. While it is true both will have had significant impacts around Tampa, I think their geographic separation, the fact Helene is gone and stale, and the fact that Milton is so extraordinary means the blurb should only be on Milton. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As others (and I) have pointed out numerous times in prior TC ITN proposals, we should Wait for impacts or future developments. Category 5 hurricanes are not particularly rare for the North Atlantic basin, and though its RI episode was impressive, I'm not sure if that is truly ITN-worthy. As far as I can recall, the only meteorological record Milton has solidly broken is its extremely unusual motion vector as a C5 hurricane, which is trivial information at best. Milton has not broken any notable meteorological records that may make it ITN-worthy regardless of impacts (e.g. most intense Atlantic hurricane, still comfortably held by Wilma). In regards to abundant news coverage of Milton, this is primarily due to its expected, potentially devastating impacts to the Tampa Bay Area and much of west Florida. Though significant impacts are almost certainly—and unfortunately—going to happen, WP:CRYSTAL applies here until they do happen.
ArkHyena (it/its) 14:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for landfall, as per usual. Scuba 14:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per GeorgeMemulous. Huge news already due to millions of people ordered to evacuate and the existing documented extreme intensification and strength. There’s no need to wait, per WaltClip, and the article is in good shape per PrinceofPunjab. I strongly disagree with the reasoning expressed by !votes to wait. This is a blurb-worthy ITN story now. Jusdafax (talk) 16:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Already has made a bit of mess in the Yucatan peninsula where it brought rain and winds. (Reminder cyclones don't have to make landfall to do things) Mandatory evacuation orders issued, mass evacuations, some major airports already closed. Seems pretty impactful to me already. Tampa Bay mayor: "you're going to die" The purpose of ITN, and Wikipedia, is to serve the readers, not play Nomic and make up a bunch of arbitrary rules and robotically apply them no matter what. The "real world" is frequently messy and comes in many shades of gray, not stark blank-and-white. (idly wonders whether if an asteroid were predicted on a near certain collision course with a major city, people at ITN would strenuously argue "we have to wait and see what the impacts (heh heh) are first before we post it, can't foretell the future don't know what'll happen for certain") --Slowking Man (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Besides the implied false equivalency between tropical cyclones, where dozens make land impacts every year, and an asteroid strike on a major city, which would be entirely unprecedented in human history, there is the fact that weather forecasts can and do bust. Milton's impacts on Florida are far from "near certain", even if I would state that significant to catastrophic impacts are very likely myself. Weather is messy and it would be bad practice to push a weather event to ITN on the presumption that it will inflict significant impacts before those impacts actually happen. A prime example would be Typhoon Bebinca (2024), which for several days appeared likely (and was explicitly forecast by the JTWC) to make an unprecedented and potentially devastating landfall near Shanghai before dry air halted its intensification. ArkHyena (it/its) 23:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In terms of a really bad hit true, though a "graze" or two have happened. Fun fact the Tunguska impactor, if merely displaced in time by 6-ish hrs (so the Earth would have rotated to a different spot) would have obliterated St Petersburg (then capital of the Russian Empire) and devastated the Baltic region (by causing a tsunami). (Per article estimated power in megatons which is "big-ass H-bomb" levels to use the scientific term) A premise more alt history stories need to take and run with.
    The Qingyang event also is interesting, unfortunately we don't have much info and could have been other things like storms. Speaking of, a big impact over the 70% of our planet covered by water would cause a tsunami which is decidedly not unprecedented. Look at the Eltanin impact, just don't read that before bedtime 😱
    My broad point was Milton has already caused significant impacts regardless of the future. Mass evacs, disaster declarations etc are impacts. I see now they're closing Wally World, apparently giant megacorps are taking actions with "impacts" (big employer, for one). Just say that in ITN: "disaster declarations evac orders etc are issued for Milton", no predicting the future needed. Slowking Man (talk) 03:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait to see impact. - RockinJack18 16:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait/Oppose Alt Blurb I per above. Sure it's one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes on record, but people will remember Milton for its destruction more. Oppose Alt Blurb I because there has been plenty of Category 5 hurricanes that didn't make ITN, like Hurricane Lee (2023) and Hurricane Lorenzo (2019). For other Category 5 hurricanes that made it it ITN, it was for its destruction, not its strength. For Alb Blurb II, it can be added to future destruction info. INeedSupport :3 18:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait but noting now my support once it makes landfall. As I am just south of Tampa on Florida's west coast, I probably am going to be offline when it comes in and possibly for some days following. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Best of luck, Ad Orientem. Look after yourself. Schwede66 21:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hopefully you'll be fine. Good luck! INeedSupport :3 02:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good luck! Hope the best for you. Rynoip (talk) 09:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Andrew Davidson. This is already in the news now, and the scale of evacuation is unprecedented. We can update it if or when things worsen, but there is no hard rule which says we need to delay. Also, on a communal responsibility level, I think we should be blurbing this for our readers now with altblurb2 making clear the severity... believe it or not, there are many who do not check the news and we can do our part in communicating how serious this is is. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I object to the point that blurbing this before it makes landfall is a good idea ignoring notability to inform those in the storm's path. By now I find it hard to believe that anyone in the track of Milton doesn't know what's going on, and those that do probably aren't checking Wikipedia's In The News, and even then, I don't know what's left to do after all the panic buying and evacuations being stalled on the highways. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and I'd bet less than half a percent of Wikipedia's reader base is even in the path. If they weren't swayed by world news headlines, I doubt they'd be swayed by an ITN entry. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's in the news, and the impacts are already being felt as hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The evacuations arent going to be of much importance compared to the impact.
Noah, BSBATalk 21:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once it makes landfall I'm very biased on this one as I'm in its path and it would be a miracle if I still had the ability to log in to cast a !vote after landfall actually happens and the impacts start to become known, but if the storm's impact on Tampa, Clearwater, Sarasota, etc is anywhere near what is forecast, it is all but certain that this will warrant posting. Wishing Ad Orientem and anyone else in Milton's path all the best. Stay safe, and get somewhere safer if you still can.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Nixinova   T   C   06:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quick vote tally:
15 saying wait until landfall (6 in the past 24 hours).
14 saying support posting now (7 in the past 24 hours).
0 saying oppose outright from my knowledge.
I might be a bit off in my counting, but it seems to be about even. If we post before landfall, it should be posted sooner rather than later so that it isn't immediately outdated. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GeorgeMemulous, correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a consensus, not a vote. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 16:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a democracy but the vote tally is still a useful tool for determining consensus. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion Nasa has images of Milton from the ISS that show the scale of the storm, which might be more interesting than the norm image used for hurricanes/typhoons. [9] Masem (t) 16:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: The ISS video doesn't show Milton at its peak nor it shows it nearing landfall. I don't think it's more interesting than the usual image used for hurricanes. INeedSupport :3 21:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting immediately Category 5 hurricanes are relatively rare, impact will obviously be severe, and preparations themselves are so serious that they're already noteworthy.–DMartin 22:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cissy Houston

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Article: Cissy Houston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mother of Whitney Houston, singer with The Sweet Inspirations which preformed with many acts such as Elvis, and also brief solo career. Issues exist with the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs work. Scuba 14:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zaw Myint Maung

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Article: Zaw Myint Maung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Week,ABCNews
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Close aide of Aung San Suu Kyi Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

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Proposed image
Articles: Victor Ambros (talk · history · tag) and Gary Ruvkun (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun (both pictured) receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their discovery of microRNA. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Standard fare for ITN. Putting it up here to discuss whether article quality is adequate. Sandstein 11:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC) / Consolidated with an edit-conflicted nomination by Oceanh (talk) 11:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. 64.114 etc 00:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Thanks, Liu. Ready to post! 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:F4F3:BC7A:91D8:83C6 (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the last four consecutive users. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 00:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support notable event, you’re good to go. 72.143.234.123 (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as with others. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Marking ready. Nice work by the updaters. Good to go to the mainpage. Well done. Ktin (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: We need to post this ASAP to avoid Tuesday's news being the oldest news item and leaving this one stale. This week is frenetic with the Nobel and other news. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like Ktin's idea Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#Box_for_Nobel_Prizes. Does anyone want to do this? Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I've explained there a box doesn't work because we often have failed to get articles to quality before they are stale. However, we can put List of Nobel laureates into Ongoing for next week or so once these start dropping off the list. Masem (t) 17:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ildar Dadin

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Article: Ildar Dadin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on Sunday but looks to have been confirmed today. Article is good length but needs more citations, especially in certain sections. Also needs a "death" section. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Kazakh nuclear power referendum

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Article: 2024 Kazakh nuclear power referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kazakhstan votes for its first nuclear power plant (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kazakhstan approves proposed nuclear power plant in referendum
Alternative blurb II: ​ Kazakhstan votes for its first nuclear power plant since their independence from the Soviet Union.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating

 ShadZ01 (talk) 11:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: Not notable enough (according to me). High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. There's no way to know if the plant will actually be finished, so ideally it should be nominated then. Also, Kazakhstan isn't under the same international nuclear scrutiny as somewhere like Iran, and this isn't exactly a fusion reactor - nuclear power has been around for many decades, and Kazakhstan is a leading exporter of uranium, so it's not a surprise one gets built. Plus, I doubt it's notable in of itself, beyond being the country's only one, assuming no disaster or international crisis happens, which from a glance at the article seems unlikely with 6 decades of nuclear safety backing it up. As for the steps towards global carbon neutrality, the Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station closure from 30 September is sitting in ITN limbo - receiving little attention, with unclear consensus.
Also, Nuclear power in Kazakhstan states in its first paragraph Kazakhstan already had a nuclear reactor online in the Soviet era, so this isn't really their first. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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