Talk:Belphegor

Occultopedia

Much of the material has been copied from the Occultopedia. It should be reworded. 163.1.159.21 13:48, 31 January 2005 (UTC)

Furthermore, not much thought has been given to the content of the article in the Occultopedia itself. There are typos and grammatical mistakes. I don't understand why his sacrificial offering being excrement is offered as a reason for his being difficult to conjure. Since excrement is a readily available material and easily acquired, I would have thought this counted towards making him easier - albeit unpleasant - to conjure. 163.1.159.21 13:54, 31 January 2005 (UTC)

Metal band

Isn't there also some kind of metal band called Belphegor? http://www.belphegor.at/ perhaps they should have some mention somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.132.150 (talk) 23:58, 14 June 2005 (UTC)

Sign of Belphegor

Is there a simbol or something that represents Belphegor I found this http://belphegor.sanguinis.net/themes/belph/images/title.jpg picture at that webcomic but I'm uncertain of its origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belphegor 666 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Necessity is the Mother of Invention

>Should there be a link to Belphegor's mother, Necessity? :) njh 04:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)<

Oops, admittedly I am not too interested in the Crowley - Magick line of thought. But I pray you where would I find out more about the the myth, or about Belphegor and Necessity.

Hmmm not a trace it seems in Mircea Eliade's history of religious ideas (Geschichte der religiösen Ideen). Just checked the index.

But concerning Belphegor Zappa came immediately to mind and thus: Necessity.

Nessecity is the Mother of Invention.

n'est pas?

LeaNder 16:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

2 bands named Belfegore

There are 2 bands named Belfegore. One was a band from 1984 that would be considered alternative metal (New Wave similar sound to the Cult). Their basic one hit wonder is available through amazon on a compilation called Retro Active 4... funny enough the one song they are fameous for is called "All that I wanted" and it really seems to follow along with the bands name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.70.233.14 (talk) 17:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Sources

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL Addhoc 18:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

External links

I noticed that the External Links section leads to a webcomic and an artist's painting, both little known. Isn't there a rule against such promotion? I think a link to some website about Ars Goetia or some such work might be more appropriate.Squidvillanueva (talk) 15:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Belphegor in the Christian Bible

Has Belphegor ever been mentioned in any translation/version of the Christian Bible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.168.245 (talk) 09:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Да 91.122.42.31 (talk) 18:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Merging Belphegor in popular culture

I propose a merge of Belphegor in popular culture into Belphegor. Neither this article nor the "in popular culture" list, which was split (diff) from this article in December 2008, is long enough to require splitting (3 KB and 4 KB, respectively) and the amount and depth of content does not seem to necessitate separate treatment of the topics. Comments?

I would like to leave the discussion open (and the merge tags on the articles) for 3–5 days in order to allow ample opportunity for interested editors to comment. Thank you, –Black Falcon ^(talk) 07:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done –Black Falcon ^(talk) 02:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Belphegor's Prime?

Stumpled upon this page http://www.neatorama.com/2012/03/15/belphegors-prime/ which talks about Belphegor's Prime:

Belphegor's Prime is a prime number - you know, a number greater than 1 that cannot be wholly divided by any other number besides 1 and itself. … But it's not just any prime number. … For one, it's a palindromic prime number. … Then, there's the 666 hiding among the zeroes: 1000000000000066600000000000001. … Also, there are 13 zeroes either side of the 666...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.38.92 (talk) 10:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

On the vast family of palindromic primes, see OEIS A002385 Stan Sykora (talk) 16:26, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Curious if this is worthy of inclusion. 81.110.63.250 (talk) 01:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Well anyone who wants to include it can cite this article (2nd para from bottom), which although not the best might be acceptable in proving its existence and thus helping to establish notability. --84.92.56.128 (talk) 01:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

It sounds like there's another source - a tribe.ca weblink tells me that this talks about it, but I don't have access to the original article: H. Dubner and R. Ondrejka, "A PRIMEr on palindromes," J. Recreational Math., 26:4 (1994) 256--267. -- Drpritch (talk) 14:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The Belphegor's Prime article is now created. 219.78.213.207 (talk) 16:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

A comment from someone other than me has suggested that this is not noteworthy. I myself suggest it be rolled into the palindromic prime numbers article. See talk at the maths article. Also, note the refs. there are nonexistent. LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

OEIS now carries an entries which define Belphegor numbers B(n) (A232449), Belphegor primes (A232448), and some of the B(n) properties (A232450 and A232451). A Belphegor number is prime for n = 0, 13, 42, 506, ... The largest known so far, sixth in order, occurs for n = 28291 (discovered by Daniel Heuer). For the popular numerology buffs: 42 = 1*3+3*13, so it contains 13 several times over, in a sense. And 506 = -1+3*13*13, but afterwards the magic vanishes :) Stan Sykora (talk) 16:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Would someone care to comment—or have I missed something—that this ascription of the name to the given number has no connection whatsoever, to any other attribute of the name, its meanings, or its history? That it could have been called Satan's, or Beelzebub's, or Lucifer's prime, with just as much meaning? That the appearance of 13 zeros, and the central triple, have nothing whatsoever really to do with the historical figure Belphegor in demonology, and so this ascription of name just seems a shallow example of attribution of a term by a physical scientist, with minimal knowledge of the humanities? (Pointed out by a physical scientist, who also loathes seemingly clever, but actually shallow, attributions of scientific terms by those in the humanities.)

The further point being it deserves no more than a line here, being of no more real importance to this non-maths article than any entry in the pop-culture attributes list. LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Jacqueline Carey's fantasy series Agent of Hel

Added this to the list of popular culture references to Belphegor. There are two books in the series so far and he is mentioned prominently in both. Is this enough material to justify mentioning it in this article?MAL, voracious reader (talk) 09:02, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Demons of the Months

According to some 16th-century demonologists, his power is stronger in April.
This claim (or, at least, very similar ones) pop up on a couple demon articles, but none of them are ever really sourced. To be fair, they're not exactly the most egregiously unsourced demonological assertions, but as I was interested in getting a complete list of the months' demons, I tried to find its origin.
Basically, this claim appears to be relatively prominent in recent, unsourced contexts, like personal blogs, clearly copy/pasted from some yet unknown original source. The list is a rather arbitrary collection of demons, including Thammuz, which isn't found in many demonology texts. It doesn't seem to coordinate at all with any traditional grouping of demons; the closest I could find was the one from the Book of Abramelin, which singles out eight of the twelve, but all other classification schemes listed on Classification of demons spread out the "monthly demons" (with the exception of Thammuz, most of them are pretty standard and found in most texts) so there's no obvious source they'd be plucked from. Most of the monthly associations seem themselves haphazard, too, with few obvious parallels that someone might draw off of to establish why, for instance, Belial is considered stronger in January.
The earliest instance of some form of the list I could find is from the "Dictionary of Satanism," by Wade Baskin, which was published in 1972; that copy has some even odder demon choices, including Hecate over Asmodai for November--I can't find her listed with demons anywhere else. Unfortunately, that book either doesn't cite its sources or it does so somewhere I can't see, so I can't really find it anywhere earlier than that.
I'm saying all this rather than just deleting it because it has to have come from somewhere, and since I find it personally interesting I'd like to keep it in, so if anyone has any familiarity with the texts from the 16th century in which this system is supposedly revealed, I'm all ears. --199.116.174.42 (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

A lot of the demonology articles need work, especially because of teenagers who discover the "Joy of Satan ministries" website and conclude that it's the gospel truth (nevermind that completely ignores historical traditions of demonology). A lot of claims like that usually trace to Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa's Three Books of Occult Philosophy, Francis Barrett's The Magus, or some new-age bastardization of the two. A better starting reference would be Gustav Davidson's Dictionary of Angels. Fred Gettings's Dictionary of Demons is also a good complementary work, but there's just enough overlap that it's not absolutely necessary if you can find Davidson. Lewis Spence's Encyclopedia of Occultism can also be good, but he isn't as forthcoming with his sources. The concept of lists of spirits tied to months (not just animism of a particular sign/month but a spirit under that sign/month) goes back to at least Alexandria, though (with examples being found in the Greek Magical Papyri and Valentinian works).

Looking through Agrippa, I see that Belphagor is not mentioned, which lets me know that Barrett probably didn't either. I'm quite certain it's not in the Lesser Key of Solomon. I'm not seeing April being mentioned in Davidson, Gettings, Spence, or Jacques Collin de Plancy's [[Dictionnaire Infernal]. Usually, if it's in none of those, it's probably not a historical idea. There's a chance (based on how old this article is) that the April claim is from some variant of the Grand Grimoire, the Grimoire of Pope Leo, or a similar early modern French work that I haven't seen yet, but I don't recall that sort of material in those but I'm suspecting that it is from some modern new-age or teenage source. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

How can I summon this demon??

Hi, can you please include a section telling us how we can summon this demon, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.12.80.218 (talk) 13:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, demons aren't real, being children's stories we tell ourselves to excuse the evil that men do, and can't be summoned. Besides, if they did exist, do you think such a powerful creature belonging to a higher plane of existence could just be summoned at will by weaker beings to command it? Surely such powers could never exist. If one were able to summon a demon to do its bidding, what's stopping them from summoning an angel and making it due evil? Stop watching so many movies and actually pay attention to reality. 24.154.192.116 (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Unclear passage

What does this mean? "He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich, stagnating that which could not be accredited to it." Kcomerfo (talk) 18:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Demons

Do spirituality exists? 69.120.118.84 (talk) 12:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Unclear sentence

He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich, stagnating that which could not be accredited to it. 2601:14A:600:4130:5564:50F1:7379:BF8E (talk) 13:56, 18 September 2022 (UTC)